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Apr 13 2012 01:19pm
Inner sight + Jab + OW on WW pass = heavier damage than light bolt alone
As Light Bolt is easily interrupted upon ww pass due to dodge/block locks
It's always best to avoid WW if you can but if you can't, shift and Jab while it passes
The OW proc and potential Tap proc is very powerful
Even if the barb teles away to wait out tap, this is just time you have to spam GA
Or at the least, force him to re-approach and as you know
That 2 second approach from a caster, is where the zon gets it's potential for a lead in damage before the stomp lands

There is a lot I have toyed with and learned since last we discussed zons, Myrd
Vs. Barbs and vs. Ghosts
It was specifically Siren's shield barb that made me have to develop the shit I was mentioning in the above
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Apr 13 2012 02:03pm
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ 10 Aug 2011 08:26)
Everyone knows that there are hidden stats in diablo games, things that are level dependant, hidden synergies and indeed defense based.
All I can say to you, is go test it yourself and then argue with me.

* Get a friend with a Shout Barb or Defiance Paladin
* Do a damage string test withought shout/defiance, fire 10 guided arrows, write down how much damage each arrow deals
* Do a damage string test with shout/defiance, fire 10 guided arrows, write down how much damage each arrow deals
* Do this multiple times so you can see that it isn't (just luck)

and then try to tell me that defense isnt' effecting min-max rates


My Guided Arrows always miss because high defense and I don't have enough AR. I hate Amazons..
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Apr 13 2012 02:12pm
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 13 2012 02:27pm)
Good question


Even better question, why are we talking about rules at all?

This started with me giving an explaination on how Dracul's can be used to easily beat a BvA

It had absolutely nothing to fucking do with the validity of East NL GM rulesets

I am actually quite confused


Still will lose to a bva 9/10 times. Show me a proper ruleset (other than yours) that says tap is allowed and holy freeze isn't. Then zon is not quite as bad vs barb but still won't win.


Quote (young2093 @ Apr 13 2012 04:03pm)
My Guided Arrows always miss because high defense and I don't have enough AR. I hate Amazons..

LOLWUT!!

This post was edited by Voyaging on Apr 13 2012 02:13pm
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Apr 13 2012 02:17pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Apr 13 2012 04:12pm)
Still will lose to a bva 9/10 times. Show me a proper ruleset (other than yours) that says tap is allowed and holy freeze isn't. Then zon is not quite as bad vs barb but still won't win.



LOLWUT!!



Sirens is the only barb to ever beat me when I was at my best (at home, on the PC, with a hardwired cable connection)
And even Sirens, barely beat me 5-4

Other barbs that have beaten me (only two, Rivals and recently Jam), were dueling me on my wireless laptop connection (which I am forced to use at times)

I have beaten every other barb I have ever come across, shield or no shield, on East NL



Again, somebody call in a barb to duel me please
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Apr 13 2012 02:20pm
Pls, PLEASE, don't tell me the current discussion is about a zon being able to "beat" (numerious wins, not only a single kill) a bva.

Quote (Voyaging @ Apr 13 2012 09:27pm)
Yes it is


Oh god, I'm out here.

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Apr 13 2012 02:27pm
Quote (Razor @ Apr 13 2012 04:20pm)
Pls, PLEASE, don't tell me the current discussion is about a zon being able to "beat" (numerious wins, not only a single kill) a bva.


Yes it is
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Apr 13 2012 03:00pm
i won a few zon v barbs in some tournaments on projectduel vs max block barbs just by using lightning fury, and they were good barbs, both duels ended up 3-2 (james and jj) bolt does way less dps. with private realm gear it's doable unless the barb uses ow to clip you then runs away, but i've never encountered someone virginatic enough to do that

also enchant changes a lot of things in this setup, especially when chilling armor goes off. 1 handed max block barbs don't have a lot of ar
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Quote (iloveoov @ Apr 13 2012 05:00pm)
i won a few zon v barbs in some tournaments on projectduel vs max block barbs just by using lightning fury, and they were good barbs, both duels ended up 3-2 (james and jj) bolt does way less dps. with private realm gear it's doable unless the barb uses ow to clip you then runs away, but i've never encountered someone virginatic enough to do that

also enchant changes a lot of things in this setup, especially when chilling armor goes off. 1 handed max block barbs don't have a lot of ar


no they weren't
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Apr 13 2012 03:04pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Apr 13 2012 04:01pm)
no they weren't


both of them are a hundred times better than you
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Apr 13 2012 03:06pm
Quote (iloveoov @ Apr 13 2012 05:04pm)
both of them are a hundred times better than you


nah i dont lose to zons
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