its also long range vs close range. smite already hurts a lot. if u smite someone rapidly (telesmite, trap em against a wall smite etc) they get hurt like hell already so the small 50 damage or so boost wont change much.

foh on the other hand needs work most of the time hence why the 800 damage boost helps a lot.

but in the end it comes down to your dueling style. myself i dont like to charge blindly into the fry to smite someone down. i like to wear em down first b4 i go for the kill. hence why i play sins and not barbs

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 21 2009 09:46am

well vs stacked opponents i usually end up fohing maybe 5 times and like 95%of my dmg comes from smite
foh is nice to force people to stack and use abs (less dr etc), but then its pretty useless

This post was edited by Flipme on Jul 21 2009 09:51am

thats his point i think. You either make him weaker by swapping out gear. or make him weaker by wearing him down... or both

This post was edited by Soccergoal10 on Jul 21 2009 09:51am

yep pretty much. if they stack against my foh, they lose something else to do so. and if they dont, then my foh hurts them a lot

its win/win for me. but for a vt. just for comparison sake im gonna use a hdin. if they counter your foh with a tgod or something + stack you basically turn into a pure smiter... and as we all know a good hdin > a good pure smiter



eh, i wouldnt say so. vs like a barb, the forcing to use tgod makes em lose 40vita + 10fhr + life rep + dr mod from dungos. plus, even with full stack and 1 piece of sorb. the foh can still hurt quite a bit over time. just like a sin's mindblast. while the initial hit may not hurt much. over the course of time, it can pk people purely from that



correct

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 21 2009 09:58am

ahh, now you see it.. you need a strong foh to make them stack and use abs (less DR).. with a weak foh, they won't be hurt much, so they'll end up using their DR gear, which makes your smite less effective..

by having a strong foh, you ensure that they're forced to give up their DR for stack/abs, which makes your smite far more effective, even though your actual smite damage is lower than that of a pure smiter..

and this is the reason, VT vs smiter duels are generally biased towards the VT winning.. coz he forces the smiter to use stack/DR, and because of that, the VT's smite becomes more effective than the smiter's smite..

thats why i like to max smite with abit weaker foh (dmg increase is cosmetic unless u cast it 40++ times in duel)and enjoy the build, dont feel like charging around for few mins and cast 30fohs vs ultraggressive smite to stand a chance in head to head battle
add the times where foh is almost usless (95es sorcs,druids, c/c trappers, hybrids, necs etc) and i totally preffer max smite build over this one


~4k foh is possible with maxed smite dont worry if they wont take stack+abs they are pretty much dead

This post was edited by Flipme on Jul 21 2009 10:00am

its actually really nice vs necros. cuz foh has a good range and aa ability. with 75fcr, i just dance around him and annoy him with foh. once he makes a mistake 75fcr telesmite does a shitload of damage

and vs druids and sorcs, yea foh is useless, but hey.... are u tellin me that ur 50 extra damage smite is gonna help more? not really

the foh variant here gives u a higher advatage vs other stuff though. everyman to his own style. u cant insult someone else's just because they are different from yours.

its like a trapper based hybrid vs a ww based hybrid. both have pros and cons. in the end, it comes down to the player

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 21 2009 10:02am

Nice well set out

never found foh effective vs necros maybe because on europe they are allowed to use oak, with golem+ oak relaying on aa foh never works and the time he is on your screen u r better charging and smiting, more dmg always helps considering you have lt (well on europe its gm, east opinions about lt are divided tho)
as for the assa im convinced that top assas on this forum already agreed that pure trapper is overall better char than hybrid

This post was edited by Flipme on Jul 21 2009 10:17am

But if ur foh isnt a threat who the hell would bother stacking against you?

Foh is often a force of hand on this build. vs necros dont expect to kill with foh but it will force them closer.

This post was edited by myfryhole on Jul 21 2009 10:32am