but as long as its a character that can tele, why can't i use bp vs them?
if you want to allow charges, you have to go through every single one imo, for something that will really just encourage someone to try and run me out of charges in all likelihood

yes, allowing oak is indeed very stupid. that means you need to allow all other forms of minion stack. Why? because.. you just have to.

tgods is an item solely to reduce light damage. Thank god no rulesets allow it, because if they did then 95 lr+40% absorb%+xx absorb would have to be allowed

just like just 1 piece of tap can't ever be allowed in any rulesets - if 1 was allowed then 2 would have to be allowed and then 3 would have to be allowed.

also if bone prison skill was allowed that would mean using bone prison from charges has to be allowed - again, no other way to make the rules perfectly logical and balanced from the perspective of every character, and failing to do this would be a very bad thing.

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Bring the entertainment

in other words, you play euro and have always considered it gm
i play east and have always considered it bm

and arguing about it is going to get us really far

so why argue with habakkuk over east rules?

This post was edited by GoHuskers on Apr 13 2012 12:24pm

tails chao doesn't play mainly on euro tho..?

Good question


Even better question, why are we talking about rules at all?

This started with me giving an explaination on how Dracul's can be used to easily beat a BvA

It had absolutely nothing to fucking do with the validity of East NL GM rulesets

I am actually quite confused

At the very least it should be banned on Assassins, I don't really have a lot of experience using Marrows on other random chars so I can't really comment (I still don't see why banning it would still effect Oak in anyway). What's wrong with just banning a select few charged skills? It's better than just banning every single one (would you DQ someone for using level 5 firebolt charges?)

Why is conserving charges a bad skill to have? LLDers manage just fine with teleport staves which gets used much more than Oak does.



I've played on East since 2003... ^^ I just happen to have cross-realm experience, most people I know who are similar also agree with me.

This post was edited by Tails chao on Apr 13 2012 12:32pm

marrows would be op'd other builds also, but thats not my point lol

east gm rules are what they are, and trying (successfully) to troll Hab over them is silly
was trying to get them all worked up over euro rules (which also seemed to be successful) to point that out

They're not trying to ridicule East rules, they're trying to point out that some of his build options don't work with some East rulesets. Habbukuk is arguing that people knowledgeable of East rulesets will allow you to use Dracs or 80/20 anyway, they're arguing back that the rules are exploitable. Whichever direction you want to support is up to you, but they're not bashing East rules.

This topic became very excite~ so I decided to log on jsp at school ^^

First off:

Bva demolishes zons LOL, especially with tgod present (and regarding tap, barb can just go corner leap till it wears off), even with my beloved 192 stack 425 ed mats I can't kill sirens or other shield barbs in ft5 (will get lucky kills ofc but not win the set). Yes you tank a ton more as bow, the problem is the barb tanks even more than you as a result of shielding. Bolt is nice and against no tgod/crappy res barb is a killer, but dueling 50dr 85 res mb barb is a totally different issue.

http://challonge.com/1v1doubleelmin

For example I would bet a large amount of fg that if Matt (Confederates) had used grief/beast vs me instead of shield here, the scores would have been reversed ^^ shield gives barb such a large advantage in this matchup. I'd rate myself as an average zon, but even I can talk reliably about their matchups, tactics etc.

Second:

Yes east dueling would probably be more fun if we banned medi and allowed oak (hammerlover reporting in). At the moment 20 prayer is gm (my God what a mistake), no one really has prayer specced like that, but it is an option according to the NL ruleset, and as a result, a priding hammer will basically demolish everything, except another din. But I doubt the rules (besides the prayer one, someone please change that) regarding charge use will change. Anyway the talk about wolf charges and stuff is not important, common sense would dictate which charges would be allowed and which ones would not (oak enhances the game play of many characters, and changes the dynamics of a lot of matches, bvn comes to mind)

Third:

You really use jab vs shield barb? ^< (© 2011 Myrddrall9:face is a combination of ^^ and ><)

fourth:

Madi did just make a mistake with 80-20 I think, I've used 80-20 in my dvt match with rivals (telling him beforehand) and he didn't care, no one good is going to mind lo/wisp. Likewise tap is GM on nl, and isn't o/p. DvZ it could get annoying fast though, esp with drac life per kill and high leech. But again it's GM and I believe it should remain so.

fith:
Jeebus I will be on asia this weekend (sorry was preoccupied with tpk on east last time ^^)

Typed up this small wall before senior seminar, 15 minutes until I have to view some very exciting presentations (no sarcasm).