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everything is nice except vouch-wall.. i dont know why you posted it but it made you look more stupid than before i saw it
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Quote (LindeRKV @ Mon, Sep 1 2008, 12:32am)
everything is nice except vouch-wall.. i dont know why you posted it but it made you look more stupid than before i saw it


Not possible.



Quote (TNation @ Sun, Aug 31 2008, 11:05pm)
68 fcr > 99 fcr

wsging > mass fhr

skill > l8z with mass poison

etc


You obviously didn't ready anything, and more apparently know very little about zons.

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let's work on eleven kay
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let's work on eleven kay


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Quote (sorowfulhatred @ Mon, Sep 1 2008, 02:11am)
You obviously didn't ready anything, and more apparently know very little about zons.


Yeah, dueling with Light (from .10) (valk telezon much better than yours) and currently dueling his build on d2pk, also having played zons even though theyre not my favourite char and zvzing through most of late .09 indicates zero knowledge of zons.

99 fcr is overkill. You lose knockback and other valuable stats from the gloves. Switching to a spirit/wizzy switch opens you up to take a TON of damage while dealing none...besides the OW from the um'd wizzy if you choose to use that.

Poison can be easily negated, using it for a main source of damage from small charms is even worse as it takes like 12 seconds for it to do the damage (in that time you could be dead).

WSGing > fhr because of dodgelock. Even if you have max fhr you can get dodgelocked pretty fucking fast and then what? WSG out of dodge lock and keep on truckin instead of stacking fhr past like the 40s.

Your build sucks. It's all based on theorycrafting and I severely doubt that this amazon does well past pubs vs any competent dueler.

Also, a necro with a carrion or treks on and recasting bone armor once hes on top of you while spearing you into a dodgelock > your zon. Works vs better duelers with same character but better build and will clearly stomp your 2.3k life zon.

And no, I didn't read most of the initial post, because the mention of poison scs vs any good dueler just made me laugh. Consider this pure speculation and tips.

This post was edited by TNation on Sep 2 2008 12:13pm
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Yeah, dueling with Light in .10 (valk telezon much better than yours) and currently dueling his build on d2pk, also having played zons even though theyre not my favourite char and zvzing through most of late .09 indicates zero knowledge of zons.

99 fcr is overkill. You lose knockback and other valuable stats from the gloves.

Poison can be easily negated, using it for a main source of damage from small charms is even worse as it takes like 12 seconds for it to do the damage (in that time you could be dead).

WSGing > fhr because of dodgelock. Even if you have max fhr you can get dodgelocked pretty fucking fast and then what? WSG out of dodge lock and keep on truckin instead of stacking fhr.

Your build sucks. It's all based on theorycrafting and I severely doubt that this amazon does well past pubs vs any competent dueler.

Also, a necro with a carrion or treks on and recasting bone armor once hes on top of you while spearing you into a dodgelock > your zon. Works vs better duelers with same character but better build and will clearly stomp your 2.3k life zon.


it work very fine
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Sep 2 2008 12:09pm
Also this is based on massssssssssssssss switching and theorycrafting bullshit

I only like a max of 3 or MAYBE 4 switches between setups if I really need it...usually try to keep switching to a minimum.

Otherwise, if you're happy pub dueling vs hammerdins with 33% block and -32 poison res, by all means, think you're some kind of amazon god... it fits your social requisite and clearly playing into the flamboyantly homosexual status you have taken has gained you a lot of attention... but that's all it has gained you...attention on the internet.

I have homosexual friends who are perfectly un-flamboyant and despise your type that do it for kicks or because you're too ignorant/arrogant to act appropriately.

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Quote (TNation @ Tue, Sep 2 2008, 01:02pm)
Yeah, dueling with Light in .10 (valk telezon much better than yours) and currently dueling his build on d2pk, also having played zons even though theyre not my favourite char and zvzing through most of late .09 indicates zero knowledge of zons.

99 fcr is overkill. You lose knockback and other valuable stats from the gloves. Switching to a spirit/wizzy switch opens you up to take a TON of damage while dealing none...besides the OW from the um'd wizzy if you choose to use that.

Poison can be easily negated, using it for a main source of damage from small charms is even worse as it takes like 12 seconds for it to do the damage (in that time you could be dead).

WSGing > fhr because of dodgelock. Even if you have max fhr you can get dodgelocked pretty fucking fast and then what? WSG out of dodge lock and keep on truckin instead of stacking fhr past like the 40s.

Your build sucks. It's all based on theorycrafting and I severely doubt that this amazon does well past pubs vs any competent dueler.

Also, a necro with a carrion or treks on and recasting bone armor once hes on top of you while spearing you into a dodgelock > your zon. Works vs better duelers with same character but better build and will clearly stomp your 2.3k life zon.

And no, I didn't read most of the initial post, because the mention of poison scs vs any good dueler just made me laugh. Consider this pure speculation and tips.


1.) It isnt theorcrafting if hes already owned plenty of pubs and priv games with it.
2.) You dont know anything about zons, so stop before ur dig urself a bigger hole
3.) He can wsg and tele, thats the best part of this build, he can tele fast and also use his 165% frw to get out of dodge lock situations... ive seen him do it.
4.) U contradict urself saying he made a guide on theorycrafting. He posted this guide AFTER the results of him owning games with the build, and on the other hand, u are the one theorycrafting because u know absolutely nothing of zons or this build, yet u set it off as an autofail without even taking in consideration ALL of the aspects of the build.
5.) Ur trash
6.) dont theorycraft, it makes u look stupid.

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Quote (Mattd90 @ Tue, Sep 2 2008, 02:14pm)
1.) It isnt theorcrafting if hes already owned plenty of pubs and priv games with it.
2.) You dont know anything about zons, so stop before ur dig urself a bigger hole
3.) He can wsg and tele, thats the best part of this build, he can tele fast and also use his 165% frw to get out of dodge lock situations... ive seen him do it.
4.) U contradict urself saying he made a guide on theorycrafting. He posted this guide AFTER the results of him owning games with the build, and on the other hand, u are the one theorycrafting because u know absolutely nothing of zons or this build, yet u set it off as an autofail without even taking in consideration ALL of the aspects of the build.
5.) Ur trash
6.) dont theorycraft, it makes u look stupid.


1) not theorycrafting
2) posting things in a list does not make you sound credible
3) ive been around on d2 for a long time
4) changing to a wizzy/spirit to tele is fucking weaksauce and any melee character will stomp you
5) i know a lot about zons LOL
6) owning pubs is not indicative of l33t pwnage hax0r build, ive stomped pubs on an aldurs fire druid
7) stop YOUR theorycrafting because ive never even heard of you in any zvz competition from the days of pillage, plunder, marvels zon(s), etc etc etc
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Sep 2 2008 12:25pm
Quote (TNation @ Tue, Sep 2 2008, 01:18pm)
1) not theorycrafting
2) posting things in a list does not make you sound credible
3) ive been around on d2 for a long time
4) changing to a wizzy/spirit to tele is fucking weaksauce and any melee character will stomp you
5) i know a lot about zons LOL
6) owning pubs is not indicative of l33t pwnage hax0r build, ive stomped pubs on an aldurs fire druid
7) stop YOUR theorycrafting because ive never even heard of you in any zvz competition from the days of pillage, plunder, marvels zon(s), etc etc etc


1.) you are theorycrafting until the day u die to this zon, but i doubt u would face it anyways in fear of dying
2.) i put it in a list because u sounded stupid from ur earlier posts and i thought this would make it easier for u
3.) ive been around since d1 and d2, dont try to 1 up me
4.) if u thinking it makes u weaker, then ur a complete moron or didnt read the guide. Switching to wizzy + spirit or ss gives u more fcr to tele, more res and such to tank attacks when running and a shield or block or have dr for running as well. To tele with ur bow out like u probably would make u die as soon as u stepped out in the moor.
5.) dont think you do, judging on how u theorycrafted 100% of what ur saying. Have u proven it? No, so therefore what u say = theorycrafting.
6.) owning norm and nm pubs on a slow realm dont count as shit. East has pub games harder and more challenging than some other realm's priv games, let alone are own priv games.
7.) im not theorycrafting, and neither is sorow, ive seen him own some of the best on east in both priv and pub games. And unless ur from east, u wouldnt know me or sorow anyways, cuz if u were, u'd be showing a bit more respect, expecially to him.
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