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Apr 13 2012 12:04pm
Quote (GoHuskers @ Apr 13 2012 07:01pm)
use of charges is bm... if oak is ok why cant i get some wolves too?


What is the problem with allowing oak and not wolves ( eu doesnt allow wolves ) ?

Similarly you have max res banned on es sorcs, but not on other builds.

Quote (Tails chao @ Apr 13 2012 07:04pm)

I hope I don't even have to justify why this logic is stupid.


Fuck thats what I just did :(

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Apr 13 2012 12:05pm
Quote (Jeebus666 @ Apr 13 2012 01:53pm)
Then how do u know they aren't familiar with tap being bm, or freeze being gm.

Your making assumptions based on what suits you, and if there are really obvious rules like recasting wolves being gm, and nothing on holy freeze, people will assume its gm.


I'm not making assumptions, I've already stated about 3 different times that due to East Ladder players retiring to East NL
The rulesets that they are familiar with and prefer are clashing against East NL rulesets, this is where the confusion is

Depending on who you duel ,where you duel and who wrote the rules
Is depending on wether or not you will be allowed to wear Dracul's or similar gear
I did nothing but write up a good setup in the event that you are allowed to use Dracul's
I said nothing about wether it was GM or BM
Where the fuck is this argument comming from? ^^

I only have so much say in the East NL World Ladder
But if it was up to me, these rules would be solid:

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Apr 13 2012 12:08pm
Quote (Tails chao @ Apr 13 2012 01:04pm)
oak already being bm (on one server) does not justify oak being broken, "imba" or "broken" are words that are thrown around waaay too much these days and people have really lost track of the word's meaning.



On one server



I hope I don't even have to justify why this logic is stupid.



As is replenish life, a mod that is 100x better than tap is.



Fun is subjective, and entirely irrelevant.


you actually do have to explain why that logic is stupid lol, its a spell casted off an item charge solely for minion stack
please dont try and tell me the extra life you get from oak actually matters...

fun is entirely relevant, its the whole point of gm rules, yes we can all run around with faded, sorbing, revive stacked dins/necs, but thats not fun
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Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 13 2012 07:05pm)
I'm not making assumptions, I've already stated about 3 different times that due to East Ladder players retiring to East NL
The rulesets that they are familiar with and prefer are clashing against East NL rulesets, this is where the confusion is

Depending on who you duel ,where you duel and who wrote the rules
Is depending on wether or not you will be allowed to wear Dracul's or similar gear
I did nothing but write up a good setup in the event that you are allowed to use Dracul's
I said nothing about wether it was GM or BM
Where the fuck is this argument comming from? ^^

I only have so much say in the East NL World Ladder
But if it was up to me, these rules would be solid:

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/Habakkuk222/HabakkuksD2GMRules-1-1-1.png


No you said

Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 13 2012 05:15pm)
Not at all
Holy Freeze is completely banned against IAS based characters, actual aura or item aura, all banned

You need to re-check the World Ladder rules, OP D2PvP rules and even Private Tournament ruling
All ban Holy Freeze against IAS for obvious reasons


You were wrong
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Quote (GoHuskers @ Apr 13 2012 07:08pm)
you actually do have to explain why that logic is stupid lol, its a spell casted off an item charge solely for minion stack
please dont try and tell me the extra life you get from oak actually matters...

fun is entirely relevant, its the whole point of gm rules, yes we can all run around with faded, sorbing, revive stacked dins/necs, but thats not fun


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Quote (Jeebus666 @ Apr 13 2012 07:04pm)
What is the problem with allowing oak and not wolves ( eu doesnt allow wolves ) ?

Similarly you have max res banned on es sorcs, but not on other builds.



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Apr 13 2012 12:13pm
Quote (Jeebus666 @ Apr 13 2012 02:08pm)
No you said



You were wrong


Dude you're trying way too hard
I said that because I had no idea Tsun would have forgotten to write in (HF is banned against IAS)
In fact, I don't think anyone has ever fucking noticed that the HF rule is not in that list
Because everyone obides by it without question or ever needing to discuss it

Look I state again: Tsun made mistakes in that initial ruleset
You need to stop using that as fodder for this ridiculous argument
You know just as well as I do, that in every reputable tournament or pvp ladder that as ever been ran
Holy Freeze is illegal vs. IAS

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Apr 13 2012 12:14pm
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Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 13 2012 07:13pm)

In fact, I don't think anyone has ever fucking noticed that the HF rule is not in that list


Are u sure about that?

I hear the East NL duelers will use any lowball exploitation of GM Rulesets possible, to gain the upper hand
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Apr 13 2012 12:16pm
Quote (GoHuskers @ 13 Apr 2012 19:08)
you actually do have to explain why that logic is stupid lol, its a spell casted off an item charge solely for minion stack
please dont try and tell me the extra life you get from oak actually matters...

fun is entirely relevant, its the whole point of gm rules, yes we can all run around with faded, sorbing, revive stacked dins/necs, but thats not fun


Where did I say that? That logic is stupid because you are making the assumption that all charges are identical, one and the same. Bone Prison, Wolves and Oak are all fundamentally very different skills, banning Prison charges (which I agree with) should not necessarily suggest that we should also ban wolves as a result. Anyway, the life off of Oak does matter if you want to bring that up, it's useful for oak repping or corner oak, as well as functioning as a minion stack charge. Oak is incredibly versatile and opens up a lot of offensive and defensive options, it's a shame seeing people who have only played East for their entire d2 career being so close minded about it.

Rulesets are intended to ban stuff that is broken, not to make things as entertaining as possible. This is impossible, "fun" is subjective. For example, I think that duels would be more entertaining if I didn't have to duel shitty sorcs or barbs that buff the moor 24/7, but to try and ban sorcs/buff whirling on that basis alone is stupid.

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Apr 13 2012 12:19pm
Quote (Jeebus666 @ Apr 13 2012 02:15pm)
Are u sure about that?

I hear the East NL duelers will use any lowball exploitation of GM Rulesets possible, to gain the upper hand


It's true and this is why I think no one has noticed it because it hasn't been used against my zon yet
HF being illegal vs. IAS is so well accepted of a rule that everyone, even the people who try to find exploits, expect that to be in the list
That was the point of my comment

Goddamn you guys are pro trollers aren't you?

Arguing shit that everyone agrees on
On every realm


Go say this shit in the World Ladder thread, not my guide
I'd love to see the ruleset revised and refined THERE, not in HERE

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Apr 13 2012 12:20pm
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Quote (Tails chao @ Apr 13 2012 01:16pm)
Where did I say that? That logic is stupid because you are making the assumption that all charges are identical, one and the same. Bone Prison, Wolves and Oak are all fundamentally very different skills, banning Prison charges (which I agree with) should not necessarily suggest that we should also ban wolves as a result. Anyway, the life off of Oak does matter if you want to bring that up, it's useful for oak repping or corner oak, as well as functioning as a minion stack charge. Oak is incredibly versatile and opens up a lot of offensive and defensive options, it's a shame seeing people who have only played East for their entire d2 career being so close minded about it.

Rulesets are intended to ban stuff that is broken, not to make things as entertaining as possible. This is impossible, "fun" is subjective. For example, I think that duels would be more entertaining if I didn't have to duel shitty sorcs or barbs that buff the moor 24/7, but to try and ban sorcs/buff whirling on that basis alone is stupid.


you shouldnt waste your time arguing with retarded east trade spawns :/
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