1) if someone can stack enough to negate -125% chances are they can stack -150% too.... getting more than 1 pt into conviction is a waste
2) does it matter if the comparison was done by me or not? its there and its good. i borrowed it and showed it to others so they can be enlightened as well
3) my smite damage drops to 3013... not 2.9k if i wear a sorb ring. get your info right
4) i never said a vt needed 99 to get the smite damage. i said it needs 99 to get BOTH 4.8kfoh and 3350smite damage
5) the only time i would use a sorb ring is vs something thats not a vt or another smiter. vs those guys the minor damage change doesnt matter... and if u were to do the same on a vt u'd lose damage too
6) only time i need kiras is to stack vs foh and bliz sorc... vs those guys if i null their damage to shit, it doenst matter what my smite is. in the end, i can hurt them, they cant do shit to me
7) a tv would do better vs a hammer than a vt would. if the hammer stacked vs a vt the foh would be almost completely useless. at least with a tv u do minor damage. but in the end, u wont get to smite him unless he attacks u anyways... most likely vs a hdin ur gonna be spamming foh 70% of the duel and use smites only when he slips up.... hence why a tv > vt when facing a din

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 20 2009 10:02pm

Getting more foh damage now that is a waste. If you want to be a foher then you should get it done right.
Next thing: its 2.9k dont try being a smartass. Even lower if you change the shield to sanctuary.
Its enough when vt and blizzsorc walk out and you be needing additional raven or else you fucked. So -1 skill - you can kiss it's ass goodbye. Next thing: your stack is just 10* 20/5's, you got to either take shako out and replace it with kiras or zaka out and replace it with sanctuary. Now you wont call your friends and tell them you need help with that two. I normaly can handle them since Im a VT - I can take some skillers out to put additional 20/11's or 20/5's when more then one element comes in the way - If you would try to do that you would be fucked up. Only thing that wouldnt blow is your foh damage. You would survive blizzer but even a dumb smite newb would have an advantage over you.
As for VT vs Hammer - hammers (at least those good ones) they dont stand and do nothing, they are fast and before you know it you get your ass hammerslaped. And they wont be so stupid to telehead.

you sentences and arguments barely even make sense....

1) bliz sorcs cant do shit cuz i negate their cold mastery completely with kiras + sanc + raven + 20/5s + boots + ammy
2) if its 2v1 then im allowed to 2v1 too by calling a friend. also i carry tap boots (marrows) and fade and vive (eternity) etc if needed. plus this is a gm vt... theres no need to make arguments about 2v1.
3) u failed to even describe how a vt would play any differently than a tv.... all u said was "zomg hdin so fast, u die". if ur gonna make an argument, try to put some sense and backbone behind it.
4) about my smite damage. i can assure the difference is barey noticible unless its vt vs vt or smite v smite... otherwise a 3.2k smite is pretty much just as good as a 3.3k smite for vs all

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 20 2009 11:14pm

I belive there was a word "failed" coming out of your typings ? Let me remind you that the king and queen of failure is your unperfect tv posted as perfect vt and this guide.
I didnt said "zomg hdin so fast, u die" get some reading lessons or an eye surgery for your chink eyes =)
Forgot you are east realm. That realm is poor in items and in players so I think this is where discussion ends indeed. You are not qualified enough in my eyes and your arguments that more foh damage (wich is without -150 res from conv) doesent convince me.
I am not the one that should be doing the convincing. Its you who are posting a guide and trying to convince people to your solutions. Im happy with my own.
And again who are you ? =)

Read the guide, haven't followed the thread.

What I will say is that after pvp penalties and damage reduction, the difference between 2.9k smite and 3k or more is negligible.

With 3.5k smite (which is a hefty number I'm just pulling on to draw an extreme), the difference between that and 2.9k is about 50 damage with pvp penalties and damage reduction.

That's not worth it, in my opinion, if you're sacrificing life, stacked res, etc. etc.

y because onscreen smite dmg is all lol

wat

ty 4 this guide

exactly... its not really something you notice in actual dueling other than in smite v smite. smiting someone with 3.2k smite (like my guy) vs smiting someone with 3.3k smite (a vt) would have pretty much the same effect....

while if someone used a wisp or something to counter my more stronger foh they would screw themself over by losing the mods of the other ring - it sort of forces them to. lets say you are in vt vs vt dueling and they use a wisp to counter my foh, they already lost all the mods of the other bk they could have had. likewise, if they wisp vs a vt. the vt's damage goes to shit. at least with my build, i'll still have some damage.



no problem. glad you found it useful

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 21 2009 07:07am

And that's just the dilemma of the v/t or t/v...balancing foh and smite damage and the main reason it's a build that's hard as nails.

Anywho, never played one, but I dread seeing them enter a game, public or private lol.