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Aug 9 2011 11:26am
Quote (Azn Masta @ 9 Aug 2011 19:56)
i dont think i'd be able to str bug w/ the jewels i use anyways

and i've tested 30ED/60AR/9dex/10max damage... a lot weaker than 9str one

(w/o the circlet or gface or wymrhide enigma - i have exactly 84str from my ring) i did not put a single pt into str


thats becouse ed+max is bugged in helms

if you didn't put a single point in str then you can get bug with scarab, and you can wear it with 2x9 strjewel circ and ring. you just need to flash your ring and circ
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Aug 9 2011 11:31am
Quote (Tails chao @ Aug 9 2011 05:43pm)
The higher defense=lower dmg rolls is some complete bs rumour that zon guy made up lol, it's simply not true (if it were the case +defense would be a much better mod in general). GMB is the best bow for damage, sbow builds are for flexibility on main set-up (gmb builds still have plenty of flexibility with stash) with rare mat javs.

also bui have you tried just using ed/ar/str jewels, are they still better than 40/15+ber? 28 ed/59 ar/9 str jewels cost like 60 each on east so they're very available lol, or you can use the 30 ed/9 str/9 dex/3 rep jewels instead if that's your thing.

/e I'm pretty sure rare javs are much more common east. I saw you guys on europe have one 4xx ias eth rep mat pair which goes for 30k... oO, I even have a ed/30 ias eth rep pair of stygians and I don't even have a zon atm lol!


seems wierd that more ppl play zon on eu, yet on east there are much better javs :P

But titans ain't so bad , i think u need 250 + ed on some rare matris for them to overtake perf titans in terms of raw damage, and titans has 20 str 20 dex 30 frw and +2 to passives ( which may give u another % of critical strike ), so altho super gz rare javs are better, im contempt with titans while these javs are still 30k + on our realm ^^

Edit: With base ias tho, u do have more flexibility to use stuff like diamond bow swaps for ow on bow slot or summin :P

This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Aug 9 2011 11:39am
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Aug 9 2011 11:42am
Quote (tudey @ Aug 9 2011 01:26pm)
thats becouse ed+max is bugged in helms

if you didn't put a single point in str then you can get bug with scarab, and you can wear it with 2x9 strjewel circ and ring. you just need to flash your ring and circ


scarab or wyrmhide....

if i die on a scarab w/ gface, i wouldnt be able to pick up gear because my str is only at 84 (wyrmhide str req is 84)
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Aug 9 2011 11:48am
Quote (Azn Masta @ 9 Aug 2011 18:42)
scarab or wyrmhide....

if i die on a scarab w/ gface, i wouldnt be able to pick up gear because my str is only at 84 (wyrmhide str req is 84)


To str bug: Enigma armour base req>char base str+enigma str bonus

So you need req of >94 to str bug at 99 with base str, which basically means scarab or heavier.

Quote (Jeebus666 @ 9 Aug 2011 18:31)
seems wierd that more ppl play zon on eu, yet on east there are much better javs :P

But titans ain't so bad , i think u need 250 + ed on some rare matris for them to overtake perf titans in terms of raw damage, and titans has 20 str 20 dex 30 frw and +2 to passives ( which may give u another % of critical strike ), so altho super gz rare javs are better, im contempt with titans while these javs are still 30k + on our realm ^^

Edit: With base ias tho, u do have more flexibility to use stuff like diamond bow swaps for ow on bow slot or summin :P


idk, you guys have less trappers than we do and your godly claws are ridiculously cheap (I saw a 4 rep 2/3/2 gt for like 400 fg lol...)

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Aug 9 2011 12:19pm
Quote (Tails chao @ Aug 9 2011 01:48pm)
To str bug: Enigma armour base req>char base str+enigma str bonus

So you need req of >94 to str bug at 99 with base str, which basically means scarab or heavier.



idk, you guys have less trappers than we do and your godly claws are ridiculously cheap (I saw a 4 rep 2/3/2 gt for like 400 fg lol...)


how would i be able to wear the armor then after i die? unless i wear the armor or a circlet, if i die, i only get up to 84 str(20base + 20anni + 20torch + 24ring)

if i cant pick up my armor, i wont be able to wear helm... if i cant wear helm i cant wear boots. if i cant wear boots, i wont be able to wear claw

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Aug 9 2011 12:20pm
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Aug 9 2011 12:21pm
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how would i be able to wear the armor then after i die? unless i wear the armor or a circlet, if i die, i only get up to 84 str(20base + 20anni + 20torch + 24ring)

if i cant pick up my armor, i wont be able to wear boots. if i cant wear boots, i wont be able to wear claw


idk, I don't use a gface swap lol.
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Aug 9 2011 12:23pm
kewl, my friend has a good ghost on east nl, ive tried to play em but the skill is a little beyond me :(

anyway, cool guide, especially like the formatting, since poor formatting can make some guides really frustrating to read....

Also, good luck with ur scammer thing with the bmanas :D
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Quote (Tails chao @ Aug 9 2011 02:21pm)
idk, I don't use a gface swap lol.


see? i would have used AP if i didnt have a gface swap, but gface is way stronger than circlet in sin v sin or vs barbs so i cant give it up haha (tested this multiple times before i finally gave in to its truth)

Quote (feastofthegoat @ Aug 9 2011 02:23pm)
kewl, my friend has a good ghost on east nl, ive tried to play em but the skill is a little beyond me :(

anyway, cool guide, especially like the formatting, since poor formatting can make some guides really frustrating to read....

Also, good luck with ur scammer thing with the bmanas :D


thanks man... but im scared i might not have enough evidence.... even mods are pming me and stuff, but until they have concreite evidence, they cant lock the guy

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Aug 9 2011 01:45pm
Quote (Tails chao @ 9 Aug 2011 18:48)
To str bug: Enigma armour base req>char base str+enigma str bonus

So you need req of >94 to str bug at 99 with base str, which basically means scarab or heavier.



idk, you guys have less trappers than we do and your godly claws are ridiculously cheap (I saw a 4 rep 2/3/2 gt for like 400 fg lol...)


i sold a 2/3/2 4 repl for 150 a month ago
was glad that i found an tradepartner on that
Bmped it 120 times lol

1dex equals 5 ar
9dex=45ar
why would you want to give that up?

str bugging is good if you dont mind loosing your equip sometimes...
i think i dont need to go into detail on that
Tommyy guides are a different story ofc
but his chars cost 1/100 of a gfg sin

This post was edited by MoXeR on Aug 9 2011 01:46pm
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Quote (MoXeR @ 9 Aug 2011 22:45)
i sold a 2/3/2 4 repl for 150 a month ago
was glad that i found an tradepartner on that
Bmped it 120 times lol

1dex equals 5 ar
9dex=45ar
why would you want to give that up?

str bugging is good if you dont mind loosing your equip sometimes...
i think i dont need to go into detail on that
Tommyy guides are a different story ofc
but his chars cost 1/100 of a gfg  sin


iirc 1 dex=4 ar
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