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Jul 21 2011 02:12pm
Quote (Bikkin @ Jul 21 2011 10:44pm)
True, Obedience is a superb - and very cheap - runeword. You only have to pay for the eth polearm, as you can easily find the runes yourself. And in pure destructive force it's more than a match for Reaper's Toll.
However, it is not recommended for physical-damage characters as there is no helpful decrepify to remove immunities for you.
It is recommended for characters with magic/elemental damage who wish to support a huge-dam mercenary (Obedience eth thresher, Guillaume's, and Forti/Treachery depending on the target area).


please explain how you think obedience does more dmg than e-rtoll.
would love to see your numbers on that claim.
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Jul 21 2011 02:15pm
Quote (Bikkin @ Jul 21 2011 10:44pm)

However, it is not recommended for physical-damage characters as there is no helpful decrepify to remove immunities for you.


-50% dr doesn't help physical chars, seeing as most mobs have 33%-50% dr as it is, and even with 0% dr, -50% dr means they get 1.5 more dmg?
also 50% slow mobs attack fpa (especially bosses) doesn't help *all chars*? then what does?

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#433
Jul 21 2011 02:23pm
Quote (Lightman @ 21 Jul 2011 22:15)
-50% dr doesn't help physical chars, seeing as most mobs have 33%-50% dr as it is, and even with 0% dr, -50% dr means they get 1.5 more dmg?
also 50% slow mobs attack fpa (especially bosses) doesn't help *all chars*? then what does?

can't edit so i have to double post -,-


The quoted sentence is about Obedience where there is not much to help a physical-dam char (enchant is something, but it sadly only triggers for the merc).
So I meant Reaper's is recommended for the above-mentioned characters.
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Jul 21 2011 02:23pm
Quote (Bikkin @ Jul 21 2011 11:23pm)
The quoted sentence is about Obedience where there is not much to help a physical-dam char (enchant is something, but it sadly only triggers for the merc).
So I meant Reaper's is recommended for the above-mentioned characters.


ah, ok i misunderstood.
still looking to see how in terms of destructive force obe>ertoll. (ps i can assure u it doesn't, unless ur char is a necro).
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Jul 21 2011 02:29pm
Quote (Lightman @ 21 Jul 2011 22:23)
ah, ok i misunderstood.
still looking to see how in terms of destructive force obe>ertoll. (ps i can assure u it doesn't, unless ur char is a necro).


Yeah, that needs some math to be done which I would not like for today. Maybe tomorrow. :)
Right now I can only refer to the 40% CB bonus that RT does not own.
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Jul 21 2011 02:35pm
Quote (Bikkin @ Jul 21 2011 08:29pm)
Yeah, that needs some math to be done which I would not like for today. Maybe tomorrow. :)
Right now I can only refer to the 40% CB bonus that RT does not own.


agree. obe+ gui fce helm gives 75cb.
e til + gui 35cb only

i have tryed both set ups. and i prefer obe in this case( well i use infy )

the one thing e toll do that is better for non necro. is remove some of imuns. thats nice for hdin...
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#437
Jul 21 2011 02:36pm
Quote (Bikkin @ Jul 21 2011 11:29pm)
Yeah, that needs some math to be done which I would not like for today. Maybe tomorrow. :)
Right now I can only refer to the 40% CB bonus that RT does not own.


true, but that can easily be covered by guillaume's.
since obe has no ll, he can't use guill. needs andy's to ll and to have a decent fpa.

so, obe's extra 5% cb (40 vs 35) vs reaper's decrepify -50%dr 50% slow target, 33% ds, ignore target's defense and open socket.
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Jul 21 2011 02:39pm
Quote (Lightman @ Jul 21 2011 08:36pm)
true, but that can easily be covered by guillaume's.
since obe has no ll, he can't use guill. needs andy's to ll and to have a decent fpa.

so, obe's extra 5% cb (40 vs 35) vs reaper's decrepify -50%dr 50% slow target, 33% ds, ignore target's defense and open socket.


not all true. e tol need 15ias to get 75 bp ias. if we asume both are going for 75 bp and both cases use treshery.
btw ll on merc is not a must..pref

This post was edited by MULTIQ on Jul 21 2011 02:42pm
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Jul 21 2011 02:46pm
Quote (MULTIQ @ Jul 21 2011 11:39pm)
not all true. e tol need 15ias to get 75 bp ias. if we asume both are going for 75 bp and both cases use treshery.
btw ll on merc is not a must..pref


nobody's talking about necro mercs.
the talk is strictly about mercs handling their own without a nec's native ad curse. read my posts.

yes, obedience can get 75 with andy's 15ias and treachery. and so does ertoll with 15ias / guill 15ias/ treachery.

but ertoll's stats beat obedience by far.
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Jul 21 2011 02:47pm
Quote (MULTIQ @ Jul 21 2011 11:39pm)

btw ll on merc is not a must..pref


and you must be joking. the only time ll isn't a must is on nec mercs, which again, was never the conversation.
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