Quote (gel87 @ Oct 30 2018 01:22pm)

So, as i understand skillers will give the best dmg output on high dmg weps like 2 handers rare eth giant tresher with 530% ed after jools?

I tried to do the math, but there is to much to think about xD
I ended up this:
lvl 37 fury etc with 27max dmg from scs dmg: 3425-10187
lvl 29 fury etc with 99max dmg from scs dmg: 2911-9212

Life was:
8 sks: 10379
full scs: 10568

I know numbers seems low for such a good wep etc, however im a 99fcr/50fhr/190frw build xD Also got 5ctc amp ;d and range adder +4 on both sides xD

Im able to kill mostly all, but i have problems dealing hits vs babas when they wirl me, seems like im FHR'd... (current build only got lvl 1 oak though, rabies etc...) So how could i be able to tankup more vs babas still wearing 2 handers? Ofc i kill them in milliseconds while they are stunned or wsg or not mid wirl etc, but when they jump me or wirl around me im stunned a lot and can't fire properly back...

Thats why i wondered about maxing oak and bear instead of rabies as i dont need much rabies, i can usually catch people with fury anyway. Maxing bear would also give wolves more life as well, same will ofc oak, But maby i can increase def or smt with lame ass eth enigma etc xD Babas usually got 10k ar in such duels, how much def do i need to actually make an change? My ar is like between 20 and 25k depending on if i use valk 08 99fcr or visio 68fcr build.

Quote (gel87 @ Oct 30 2018 08:22am)

So, as i understand skillers will give the best dmg output on high dmg weps like 2 handers rare eth giant tresher with 530% ed after jools?

I tried to do the math, but there is to much to think about xD
I ended up this:
lvl 37 fury etc with 27max dmg from scs dmg: tel:3425-101873425-10187[/URL]
lvl 29 fury etc with 99max dmg from scs dmg: tel:2911-92122911-9212[/URL]

Life was:
8 sks: 10379
full scs: 10568

I know numbers seems low for such a good wep etc, however im a 99fcr/50fhr/190frw build xD Also got 5ctc amp ;d and range adder +4 on both sides xD

Im able to kill mostly all, but i have problems dealing hits vs babas when they wirl me, seems like im FHR'd... (current build only got lvl 1 oak though, rabies etc...) So how could i be able to tankup more vs babas still wearing 2 handers? Ofc i kill them in milliseconds while they are stunned or wsg or not mid wirl etc, but when they jump me or wirl around me im stunned a lot and can't fire properly back...

Thats why i wondered about maxing oak and bear instead of rabies as i dont need much rabies, i can usually catch people with fury anyway. Maxing bear would also give wolves more life as well, same will ofc oak, But maby i can increase def or smt with lame ass eth enigma etc xD Babas usually got 10k ar in such duels, how much def do i need to actually make an change? My ar is like between 20 and 25k depending on if i use valk 08 99fcr or visio 68fcr build.

Quote (Cambria @ Oct 30 2018 03:11pm)

Your best bet versus whirlwind Barbarians is probably just to choose your angles more carefully. You should easily be outranging them so you should be able to get your jabs in from a far.

I’d stick with Wolf because you’d lose a lot of mobility by switching to Bear. That mobility is too valuable especially when trying to outrange a whirlwind Barbarian.

Oak is king but maybe throwing in a Feral Rage with Rabies would help you too. The boosts to FRW will certainly help.

Quote (gel87 @ Oct 30 2018 10:22am)

I mean, putting 20 to summons grizzly(to make grizzly & wolves have more life, combined with the extra life from oak base 20 instead of 1).
That way they will "absorb" more wirl hits and i will be less fhr'd.

Frw is fine, more would ofc never hurt. But on my 100fcr valk setup all is "str gliched/from invent" except for HL, and on diadem setup total of 60frw is not gliched. But i teleport a lot also, often very effective to jump babas with full wolves zoo :P The fact that i almost never use rabies is that with my eq which isen't rabies setup the dmg is just to low, it might force an ele dudu or nec to be more offensive, but usually i can catch them rather decent. Ofc very nice vs assa though, those can be hard to reach.

So basicly i dont see any point in having a 19k rabies dmg with valk setup as 1 single fury hit deals the same without amp. Then i guess my survavilibilty would be much improved by adding 38 more skills to summon grizzly and oak.

Yes i guess i must choose better angle's vs them as you say, but its hard when they jump me forexample in tvt xD The bvc on this realm is minimum 63fcr build, often 105 xD

Quote (Cambria @ Oct 30 2018 03:46pm)

Treat yourself like an elemental Druid by bulking up your pets and walkign down.

This is more of a melee thread but the concept should be the same for you as an elemental Druid when avoiding whirlwind Barbarians.

Quote (gel87 @ Oct 30 2018 10:56am)

Thanks, i will :)

I must train some more vs babas when i get home, i often put on s/s setup vs them, but thats boring when it got to low range for tvt etc xD
But grizzly is very flexible in tvt as its very fast cast and can handle some trap/mb/teeth/spear/multi dmg before going down ;d But vs babas and hammers i prefer wolves zoo, which will have much more life now after i respec to max oak & grizzly instead of rabies. I can't use a dw on slot 2 anyway as i constantly need to wsg to get out of mb and prison and to desync and shit xD It desyncs like 2 screens and got +4 rangeadder, so even though half of jsp claim that a shaper can never catch any teleport char its quite the opposite xD And if they wsg south i just do the same without they see me moving and fury them xD

Quote (JonBmx @ Oct 30 2018 07:30pm)

For pure fury or hybrid wolf I always used ebotdz and SS vs barbs. Always worked best. If hybrid one rabies land and fury the rest usually did the trick.

Quote (gel87 @ Oct 30 2018 05:07pm)

Yes ofc, but when ur in a tvt with assas necs babas and dudu or hammers etc then it would be both boring for other and boring uneffective for me using shield.