[QUOTE=Q_r,Jul 22 2010 08:00pm]*

Yeah it's actually sensefull, since you are the only who still believes that you were right from scratch. The, the point has been covered, yes, but then we found out that you were wrong about pretty much everything. Obsession is honestly the word that discribes you the better.[/QUOTE]




You have already proven your capacity for sensible thinking.






[QUOTE=Q_r,Jul 22 2010 06:48pm]Yeah, me too, that's why i'm expecting sense from you[/QUOTE]

I am making sense, but you are thinking senselessly, and therefore unable to understand, or perceive my thinking as sensible.

[Quote (Q_r @ Jul 22 2010 06:48pm)]Yeah, me too, that's why i'm NOTexpecting sense from you

e/ typo =/[/QUOTE]

Oh now you want to change your argument? That's pretty senseless, but that's ok:

[QUOTE=Q_r,Jul 22 2010 06:48pm]Yeah, me too, that's why i'm NOTexpecting sense from you

e/ typo =/[/QUOTE]

I am making sense, but you are thinking senselessly, and therefore unable to understand, or perceive my thinking as sensible.[/QUOTE]

This post was edited by Noob_Nova on Jul 22 2010 06:58pm

I do the explaining about D2

Not you fucking noobs

notice the key word, "trying"



Main Entry: 1try
Pronunciation: \ˈtrī\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): tried; try·ing
Etymology: Middle English trien, from Anglo-French trier to select, sort, examine, determine, probably from Late Latin tritare to grind, frequentative of Latin terere to rub — more at throw
Date: 14th century

transitive verb 1 a : to examine or investigate judicially <try a case> b (1) : to conduct the trial of (2) : to participate as counsel in the judicial examination of
2 a : to put to test or trial <try one's luck> —often used with out <try out a new method> b : to subject to something (as undue strain or excessive hardship or provocation) that tests the powers of endurance c : demonstrate, prove
3 a obsolete : purify, refine b : to melt down and procure in a pure state : render <try out whale oil from blubber>
4 : to fit or finish with accuracy
5 : to make an attempt at—often used with an infinitive <try to fix the car>intransitive verb : to make an attempt <you can do it if you try>
synonyms see afflict, attempt

— try one's hand : to attempt something for the first time

Reference:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/try

This post was edited by Noob_Nova on Jul 22 2010 07:05pm

None can be conceited that much, you must be kidding me.
Now i'm off, i will no longer argue with you, since you're the worst narrow-minded person i've ever met.
Please keep acting big behind your computer, and please, get lost. I hope someone in the streets will knock his first to your head, just to learn you the concept of humility.

Congratulations, you took the most simple obvious cookie cutter build and made it look stupid.

You are an asshole.

I challenged the long time general consensus.

You agreed with the long time general consensus in the face of irrefutable proof, because of your beliefs.

You refused to read, assess, analyze, interpret, and understand the first post of the thread.

You called me close minded.

You fail.

This post was edited by Noob_Nova on Jul 22 2010 07:19pm

its not about the build.

this is not a druid guide.

ITS EXACTLY WHAT THE TOPIC TITLE SAYS.

THE TRUTH ABOUT THE PELT.

BEING THE PERSON TO COME INTO MY THREAD AND CALL ME AN ASSHOLE. YOUR FUCKING ONE TO TALK. YOU ARE THE ASSHOLE.

I DID YOU A FUCKING FAVOR YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.

This post was edited by Noob_Nova on Jul 22 2010 07:11pm

ROFL

in your first topic you argue that life = dmg. On this basis, you do the calculation (doesnt matter if its right or wrong)

now suddently you switch to a totally different argument, which is "sustainability in duels", based on elementary attacks. a circ would by the way be able to give almost as good res as jalalas with even better side stats (2 dudu 20fcr 2 soc, 30str 60life 20allres COULD be possible, but imo a dream circ :D). But this would make the discussion very complex and would force us to think about the gear. to lazy for that, so just saying. Lets not go too deep into this.
Also max res can be easily acchieved with the build you used for your argumentation 40 from anni/torch, 50 from 20-5 scs, 30 anya (but probably bugged), +35 spirit (except psn), 75 psn from sandstorms, +25 (i think) from suicide branch, some res possible from amu and rings, lets assume on average 10 allres per ring (or 30lightres, or 30fireres, or 30 coldres, you could have switchgear rings in your chest). so you got 200 allres - 100 hell malus = 100allres, meaning 25 all stacked ress. jalalas could help you if you want to use diffrent charms than 20-5 or if the opponent has - res on his gear. but the res on jalalas imo dont make that big difference, so i rather go for more dmg from the pelt.

please stick to your way of argueing. or at least consider BOTH arguments (defensive sustainability and offensive power) in, since in a good build you need to consider both offensive and defensive aspects in.

small mistakes:
rare pelts can only have 40 life, magic ones 60 (which would make a rare pelt even less superior, i know. Just saying)
Pelts cant have 20 dex

This post was edited by Taschendrache on Jul 22 2010 07:59pm

Damage does = Life

You 1000 life

Your opponent 1000 dmg

You = dead

Should be pretty easy to understand when put like that.




Ok, so anyways, now you want to throw a circlet into the equation? I'm pretty sure the discussion is limited to pelts. Are pelts circlets now?

Any helmet type, having more then zero resistance, and less then 30 resistance has not been analyzed in the topic. If you wish to redo the calculations under that pretense then feel free to do so. I am not going to do it for you.

If you wish to draw a dmg to life comparison between shako and a resistance helmet, then feel free to do so. I am not going to do it for you.

Rare pelts in the topic title have been analyzed assuming a 60 life modification. Pelts having 60 life, and zero resistances have proven inferior. I wonder then how much negative 20 life applied to our 60 life assumption would widen the margin of superiority for pelts modified with 30 resistance when compared to pelts not modified with resistance. This would also widen the difference in life between life modified pelts and shako. Shako is already superior in the area of life modification.

The resistance mod on Jalal's makes the difference between life or death. It's your opinion that it doesn't make a big difference. Since when is this about opinions?

The difffernce in extra dmg on the pelt verses the 30 resistance on jalal's gets you killed faster; the extra damage has a minimal effect on your opponent when drawing a comparison.

*See the mathmetical example above. See first post.


...it means the difference between life and death for the druid.

thanks for presenting a more reasonable argument then most. Does anyone else want to challenge the assertion?

This post was edited by Noob_Nova on Jul 22 2010 09:14pm