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Aug 17 2009 05:03am
Quote (darkkobra @ Mon, 17 Aug 2009, 14:02)
gz skillz needed ofc, as we can see in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a243RcXW3Eo :thumbsup:

Honestly, if you ask me this shit needs less skill than playing pure joderdin/spamming nigramancer


that vid sucks yes, however I have tried this char and you havent

=win, was eZZZZZZZZZZZZ
never get big again & all that stuff
:wacko:

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Quote (tudey @ Mon, 17 Aug 2009, 13:03)
that vid sucks yes, however I have tried this char and you havent

=win, was eZZZZZZZZZZZZ
never get big again & all that stuff
:wacko:


QQ

aer we can sftu?
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Aug 17 2009 05:07am
Quote (darkkobra @ Mon, 17 Aug 2009, 14:05)
QQ

aer we can sftu?


Damn, I Just Got Verballed Hard ! =(

Excuse Me While I Crawl Back To My Cave !


PS. I Rage And I Suck !
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Quote (tudey @ Mon, 17 Aug 2009, 13:07)
Damn, I Just Got Verballed Hard ! =(

Excuse Me While I Crawl Back To My Cave !


PS. I Rage And I Suck !


you curios me :wacko:
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Aug 17 2009 05:12am
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you curios me :wacko:


why :wacko:
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I Rage And I Suck !


:wacko: ?
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Quote (tudey @ Mon, 17 Aug 2009, 13:12)
why :wacko:


wuz joke ofc - you beutiful me m9te ^_^

Quote (Gwaithner @ Mon, 17 Aug 2009, 13:13)
:wacko: ?


correctet i see...t4t i was lags
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Aug 17 2009 05:19am
Quote (darkkobra @ Mon, 17 Aug 2009, 14:16)
wuz joke ofc - you beutiful me m9te ^_^



correctet i see...t4t i was lags


okey ty m9 ^__^

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Aug 17 2009 05:21am
Quote (tudey @ Mon, Aug 17 2009, 05:42am)
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saying that "A shaman is easily the most versatile PvP character, as strong as any cookie cutter and with no bad matchups" is just bullshit imo, but its not horrible either


Its pretty easy logic actually.
Every other build in D2 pvp has at least one counter build. What do BvC's do against BvB? They cannot win. What does a windy do against a trapper and/or hybrid/ghost? That smiter looks real badass up until a necro ironmaiden / bone prisons him and shoops bone spirits. That hybrid? She gonna lose to a pure trapper. That trapper has a bad date with a smiter. And bowazons lose to everything. Fact of the matter is, all these other builds have clear counters and they normally can't do anything against them. Even bad trappers can beat good windys some times.

But for a shaman to have a really bad matchup, you have to assume that the player is going to be both extremely skilled *and* sorbing, for example a sorbing BvC. Now that can be an issue. Ghosts/hybrids can be difficult, but those who have dueled against me can attest that shamans can still lay down some beating done properly (even if I'm not terribly great at it myself). But theres no class that directly counters a shaman. You do well against sorcs, druids, barbs, pallys, necros, zons, and sins. When you enter a pubby game with a shaman, you hostile 7 people without caring what class they are.

Now how many builds in d2 can be that well rounded? Hybrids come close, as do V/T's & to some extent BvC/A.

A shaman might not have the easiest time in each duel, but at least theres no duels where hes explicitly bad, unlike everything else. Thats the difference between being Mario and being Toad or Donkey Kong in ur little gokart
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Quote (deathwinger @ Mon, Aug 17 2009, 04:21am)
Its pretty easy logic actually.
Every other build in D2 pvp has at least one counter build. What do BvC's do against BvB? They cannot win. What does a windy do against a trapper and/or hybrid/ghost? That smiter looks real badass up until a necro ironmaiden / bone prisons him and shoops bone spirits. That hybrid? She gonna lose to a pure trapper. That trapper has a bad date with a smiter. And bowazons lose to everything. Fact of the matter is, all these other builds have clear counters and they normally can't do anything against them. Even bad trappers can beat good windys some times.

But for a shaman to have a really bad matchup, you have to assume that the player is going to be both extremely skilled *and* sorbing, for example a sorbing BvC. Now that can be an issue. Ghosts/hybrids can be difficult, but those who have dueled against me can attest that shamans can still lay down some beating done properly (even if I'm not terribly great at it myself). But theres no class that directly counters a shaman. You do well against sorcs, druids, barbs, pallys, necros, zons, and sins. When you enter a pubby game with a shaman, you hostile 7 people without caring what class they are.

Now how many builds in d2 can be that well rounded? Hybrids come close, as do V/T's & to some extent BvC/A.

A shaman might not have the easiest time in each duel, but at least theres no duels where hes explicitly bad, unlike everything else. Thats the difference between being Mario and being Toad or Donkey Kong in ur little gokart


Didn't you say windys were this chars worst nightmare, or was that clan_iraq?

I can't remember.
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