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Apr 13 2012 08:23am
Quote (Jeebus666 @ Apr 13 2012 10:17am)
Thanks for this information,really informative :)

Btw, who are the good zons you are talking about ? Have you seen any vids from zons on other realms that can be considered " good " in your eyes too ?


There are plenty of good ZvZ'ers left on East NL
Click the ZvZ Ladder link in my sig for a list of users who still have intact ZvZ characters

But there are only two good ZvA's left on East NL
Myrddrall9 and myself

As far as West/Europe, I have no idea other than what I have heard of by word of mouth
Jesper, Jeppe, whoever else
I saw videos of Jesper and his style is great but I don't think he had pride hard rivals pushing as hard as they possibley could to beat him
This halts the fine progression of precision counter builds against certain tactics

Honestly, Jesper looks faster than I am but he lacked wily build versatility



I would like to try Eud2pk
I could roll up a perfect stated zon on a realm like that
Do they have access to 5% run SCs and the ability to keep rerolling a rare javelin?
If so, I could make a ridiculous amazon on this server, I guarantee it

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Apr 13 2012 08:26am
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Apr 13 2012 08:25am
edit: nvm. not in the trolling mood today :(

This post was edited by Bojana on Apr 13 2012 08:26am
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Yea, you can get 5 frw scs and you get 450 ed eth 40 ias matri's from the vendors.

Myraddall9 also has used the server btw and I think he said his ping is " OK "most characters except barb.

Oh and as for Jesper not having to duel Priders on eu:



Is the other team considered aggressive by wager sharker standards?

This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Apr 13 2012 08:31am
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Apr 13 2012 09:03am
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Yea, you can get 5 frw scs and you get 450 ed eth 40 ias matri's from the vendors.

Myraddall9 also has used the server btw and I think he said his ping is " OK "most characters except barb.

Oh and as for Jesper not having to duel Priders on eu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zan9nUBeC0Q

Is the other team considered aggressive by wager sharker standards?


The hdin is definately priding hard, rofl
He's got good old fashioned hdin telestomp skills
And alot of life rep I see
Definately dueling like a fg wager for sure

But nowadays things are a bit different
Every hdin carries a griefPB for amas, (at least they do on East NL)
It results in a rock/paper/scissors match up of power-countering

* Bowside > Hammering
so then the paly switches to charge/smite

* Desynching Charging/Smiting > Bowing, especially when you aren't expecting it
so then the ama switches to javside

* Javside > Hdin as half-gear Charger/Smiter
so then the Hdin goes back to telestomping with hammers


It's all about interpretting when the opponent is going to try and swap tactics and how frequently so that you can swap first and maintain the upper hand

On East NL, pvp has evolved as such
Almost everyone uses a character that is capable of swapping tactics to exploit the opponents weakness
There is no longer a such thing as (one setup or skill set vs everything)

If Jesper had been dealing with the above type of shit on a consistant basis
I'm almost certain that he'd of came to the same conclusions of tactics/gear to be used in the rock/paper/scissors power-counter matches that I have
A.K.A, use of Drac's/LB's to surpass MB/Jabbing for full OW proc when neccesary, ect.. ect..



The guy in that video is certainly priding but he isn't being dirty about it
The East NL duelers will use any lowball exploitation of GM Rulesets possible, to gain the upper hand
This is why my guide is all about gear swapping
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Apr 13 2012 10:00am
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 12 2012 07:55pm)
This is 100% true about HF

If a good barb players uses BM DoomZ, zon has no chance
Same type of shit as Bone Prison + Great Nec player


According to ESCNL rules, Doom is allowed afaik.
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Apr 13 2012 10:15am
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According to ESCNL rules, Doom is allowed afaik.


Not at all
Holy Freeze is completely banned against IAS based characters, actual aura or item aura, all banned

You need to re-check the World Ladder rules, OP D2PvP rules and even Private Tournament ruling
All ban Holy Freeze against IAS for obvious reasons

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Apr 13 2012 10:16am
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Apr 13 2012 10:32am
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 13 2012 12:15pm)
Not at all
Holy Freeze is completely banned against IAS based characters, actual aura or item aura, all banned

You need to re-check the World Ladder rules, OP D2PvP rules and even Private Tournament ruling
All ban Holy Freeze against IAS for obvious reasons


I thought it was too but I searched for Holy Freeze and Doom and couldn't find mention of either:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=54454490&f=147
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Apr 13 2012 10:42am
Doom rules vary on East, I've seen it outright banned/allowed/only allowed on Blizzers/only allowed vs chars that don't utilise IAS.
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Apr 13 2012 10:43am
Quote (Voyaging @ Apr 13 2012 10:32am)
I thought it was too but I searched for Holy Freeze and Doom and couldn't find mention of either:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=54454490&f=147


ESCNL ladder rules appear to be fouled up. OP of the thread isn't the same as what you get when you click the "rules" link. The thread you get when you do click the link states "HLD Rules ( These are not 1v1 rules, these are teampk rules )" so do they even apply to 1v1?

I want to say they're worse than fouled up.
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Apr 13 2012 10:43am
Quote (Voyaging @ Apr 13 2012 05:32pm)
I thought it was too but I searched for Holy Freeze and Doom and couldn't find mention of either:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=54454490&f=147


Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 13 2012 04:03pm)
The guy in that video is certainly priding but he isn't being dirty about it
The East NL duelers will use any lowball exploitation of GM Rulesets possible, to gain the upper hand
This is why my guide is all about gear swapping


With rules like those I dont think its so hard to exploit them lol^^

Wisp + Lo = BM on those rules, so your setup of forti + wisp vs trappers is BM on that ladder.

Medi allowed too, so hammers can just rep to full offscreen as well as take grief vs ama :)

This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Apr 13 2012 10:46am
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