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Jul 29 2009 10:48am
Quote (Snapped @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 02:51pm)
y bug belt helps only vts in this duel since barb has to use tg (btw it makes palas way more powerfull than on other realms)
europe barbs dont  use slow to beat smiters/vts  especially zaka ones (its rather other way around)
ever heard about  tele clipping  ? Its no so hard as u think, wise barbs never namelock smiters  and 13k-15k defense  vt is pretty easy to hit (thats approximately your defense with spirit or zaka)
every good europe barb is going to outstack your conv while using anelic amu + rings and tg to make your foh worthless (add  str bug if he cares enough to make wws desynch like fuck), you are not going to win unless you are going to tele smite him which is insanly hard without defense from exile (ww desynch is a bitch) hes going to win most of the time if he doesnt screw up wws


I can vouch this some barbs even bother to str bug so they can desync like mad also some of the good anti barb smiters use clegs + hf and slow from bb and tele smite which is tough vs barbs although barbs would use doom vs this setup and lifetap is the norm as well.
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Jul 29 2009 10:51am
Quote (Ziecheik @ Wed, 29 Jul 2009, 16:47)
You get trap speed fine with wsm bugging. wsm bugging actually gives you easier bps and more ias stack than using 2x -30wsm claws.

You may have had a lot of assassins in your time playing d2, but times have changed and builds have evolved. Physical damage is just good for any sin using ww. Just about everyone uses wsm bugging nowadays. No reason not to use the heavier hitting claws.


I never used ias bugs, and neither did all good assassin players on EU.
Guess there's huge difference between other realm players then.

We like it original without taking advantage on lacks of game.
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Jul 29 2009 10:52am
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I never used ias bugs, and neither did all good assassin players on EU.
Guess there's huge difference between other realm players then.

We like it original without taking advantage on lacks of game.


haha times have changed lau many sins bug their claws nowadays

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Jul 29 2009 10:54am
Quote (Machinae @ Wed, 29 Jul 2009, 19:51)
I never used ias bugs, and neither did all good assassin players on EU.
Guess there's huge difference between other realm players then.

We like it original without taking advantage on lacks of game.


there are all sorts of bugs that people use, like desynch, wsg, strbug etc, nothing odd about using wsm bug imo
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Jul 29 2009 10:55am
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haha times have changed lau many sins bug their claws nowadays


Huh.. So quality of D2 players IS rly THAT bad :S

What will ppl recommend us to use in "next generation" guides ? TMC and AA ? Sigh.


/e And sorry about spam. Just didn't know that assas are ignoring such main stat as IAS nowadays.

Quote (drt1245 @ Wed, 29 Jul 2009, 16:57)
Yes, because I'm sure you never used Enigma, or any other item using duped runes whatesoever.

Go play single-player.


Duped runes are fairly different thing than taking advantage of bugs like wsm tho ^^

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Quote (Machinae @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 12:55pm)
Huh.. So quality of D2 players IS rly THAT bad :S

What will ppl recommend us to use in "next generation" guides ? TMC and AA ? Sigh.


Yes, because I'm sure you never used Enigma, or any other item using duped runes whatesoever.

Go play single-player.
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Jul 29 2009 11:00am
Quote (Machinae @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 04:51pm)
I never used ias bugs, and neither did all good assassin players on EU.
Guess there's huge difference between other realm players then.

We like it original without taking advantage on lacks of game.


Get out of here with that scrubby attitude then.

wsm bugging just like other in game tactics - wsging, legit fcing, charge desyncing, ww desyncing, puddle desyncing, etc etc, are all part of the game.
Are you saying eu players don't take advantage of those tactics? Are you saying eu players don't use bb or try to gain whatever advantage the realm gives them? It's gm to use wsm bug, nothing wrong with it and its not gamebreaking to the point of any league banning it, just another feature of how characters function in d2.


EU didn't have eth glitch chaos whereas east/west both had glitch suwayyah or scissor suwayyah which is very attractive for a chaos claw in wsm bugging, so of course that tactic got picked up in those realms first. But really there is no reason for a wwsin on eu or ladder with a non-eth chaos to not look for the same staffmods in a suwayyah instead of a gt/rt/feral claw, because they will have easier ias bps and more ias stack, and a better base damage chaos.
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Jul 29 2009 11:06am
Quote (Ziecheik @ Wed, 29 Jul 2009, 17:00)
Get out of here with that scrubby attitude then.

wsm bugging just like other in game tactics - wsging, legit fcing, charge desyncing, ww desyncing, puddle desyncing, etc etc, are all part of the game.
Are you saying eu players don't take advantage of those tactics? Are you saying eu players don't use bb or try to gain whatever advantage the realm gives them? It's gm to use wsm bug, nothing wrong with it and its not gamebreaking to the point of any league banning it, just another feature of how characters function in d2.

EU didn't have eth glitch chaos whereas east/west both had glitch suwayyah or scissor suwayyah which is very attractive for a chaos claw in wsm bugging, so of course that tactic got picked up in those realms first. But really there is no reason for a wwsin on eu or ladder with a non-eth chaos to not look for the same staffmods in a suwayyah instead of a gt/rt/feral claw, because they will have easier ias bps and more ias stack, and a better base damage chaos.


Scrubby attitude ? I just said that using bug chaos is, in my opinion, just stupid.
And for what ppl post guides in D2jsp else than helping others and get feedback for it ?
If you can't stand the feedback, don't post. Simple as that.

And yes, EU had some eth bug Chaos claws, which were extremely expensive tho.

Correct me if Im wrong, but if you change your weapons off from claws, you lose the bug right ?
So you never ever use c/c+storm (or another shield) combo in tvts for quick switch from 60%~ to 75% block trap-lay-only ?
Duh...

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Jul 29 2009 11:21am
Quote (Machinae @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 05:06pm)
Scrubby attitude ? I just said that using bug chaos is, in my opinion, just stupid.
And for what ppl post guides in D2jsp else than helping others and get feedback for it ?
If you can't stand the feedback, don't post. Simple as that.

And yes, EU had some eth bug Chaos claws, which were extremely expensive tho.

Correct me if Im wrong, but if you change your weapons off from claws, you lose the bug right ?
So you never ever use c/c+storm (or another shield) combo in tvts for quick switch from 60%~ to 75% block trap-lay-only ?
Duh...

ya scrubby attitude. look up sirlin's definition of what a scrub is. refusing to use something just cause its a bug?

obviously builds and setups meant to tvt and switch don't use wsm bug. but any wwsin or hybrid that doesn't can benefit from using the bug. There are reasons to use it, and reasons not to use it for different setups. In the case of hybrids or wwsins, it doesn't come up. If you want to use a w/s switch for teams, feel free to have stashed claws for non-wsm bug setups. Otherwise why not gear yourself better and take advantage of higher damage claws? makes no sense.
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Jul 29 2009 11:33am
Quote (Ziecheik @ Wed, 29 Jul 2009, 17:21)
ya scrubby attitude. look up sirlin's definition of what a scrub is. refusing to use something just cause its a bug?

obviously builds and setups meant to tvt and switch don't use wsm bug. but any wwsin or hybrid that doesn't can benefit from using the bug. There are reasons to use it, and reasons not to use it for different setups. In the case of hybrids or wwsins, it doesn't come up. If you want to use a w/s switch for teams, feel free to have stashed claws for non-wsm bug setups. Otherwise why not gear yourself better and take advantage of higher damage claws? makes no sense.


It doesn't mean that you have to use everything you can or could use.
Anyway, I don't want to spam Bui's guide anymore, I can hear brand new assassins setting their wsm bugs already.
Can't wait for the day when (and if) blizzard fixes that bug lmao. Will be humiliating.. ><
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