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Aug 30 2022 08:25am
Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Aug 30 2022 09:54am)
You asked for improvements, then say you don’t want improvements.

Makes sense.


It's alright bud one day someone will teach you to mingle with society and not have a harsh backlash from you as a person. If you offered said improvements and not just flapping your gums to the internet I would have gladly accepted.
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It's alright bud one day someone will teach you to mingle with society and not have a harsh backlash from you as a person. If you offered said improvements and not just flapping your gums to the internet I would have gladly accepted.



Your build is trash
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Your build is trash


Haha my point exactly you offer nothing to this conversation. Good luck with life my man its going to be a very bumpy road for you.
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Quote (Sgtpeppers89 @ Aug 30 2022 04:28pm)
Haha my point exactly you offer nothing to this conversation. Good luck with life my man its going to be a very bumpy road for you.


I'll give you some good boy feedback if you can handle it. here goes

last wish is a terrible item. only particularly useful thing on it is the cb, which you can easily get from other items. not to mention that cb isn't half as effective as you seem to think it is outside of ubers. the damage a grief provides is too good to ever pass up, no matter what sort of a barb you are.
the same thing goes for eternity. it's not half as good as a bad grief and you don't need the 30 mf it provides.

let's move on from the weps. frenzy + hork is a bad combo. it's too skill point reliant. berserk + hork is safer, faster, has more dmg and is less gear reliant. that's why everyone uses it and no one uses frenzy. zerk builds also don't need any ll or cb at all to be effective.

it's also a bad idea to stack too much mf. mf has diminished returns past a certain point, generally you don't need more than 250-350. however, mf barbs (zerk) usually have no issues reaching close to 500 without sacrificing much damage/survivability. you do that by having an isted ali/6x ist pb in your off-hand, using a shako (cham), eni, wts, gheed and mf scs. that's all you need.

so in summary, your proposed build is strictly worse than the standard pvm barb builds out there, by quite a large margin. there's no way around that. if you're okay with playing a very suboptimal build then go right ahead, that's up to you.

I'm not writing this comment out of spite or with any ill intentions just so you know

This post was edited by Dolphy on Aug 30 2022 08:54am
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Haha my point exactly you offer nothing to this conversation. Good luck with life my man its going to be a very bumpy road for you.



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I'll give you some good boy feedback if you can handle it. here goes

last wish is a terrible item. only particularly useful thing on it is the cb, which you can easily get from other items. not to mention that cb isn't half as effective as you seem to think it is outside of ubers. the damage a grief provides is too good to ever pass up, no matter what sort of a barb you are.
the same thing goes for eternity. it's not half as good as a bad grief and you don't need the 30 mf it provides.

let's move on from the weps. frenzy + hork is a bad combo. it's too skill point reliant. berserk + hork is safer, faster, has more dmg and is less gear reliant. that's why everyone uses it and no one uses frenzy. zerk builds also don't need any ll or cb at all to be effective.

it's also a bad idea to stack too much mf. mf has diminished returns past a certain point, generally you don't need more than 250-350. however, mf barbs (zerk) usually have no issues reaching close to 500 without sacrificing much damage/survivability. you do that by having an isted ali/6x ist pb in your off-hand, using a shako (cham), eni, wts, gheed and mf scs. that's all you need.

so in summary, your proposed build is strictly worse than the standard pvm barb builds out there, by quite a large margin. there's no way around that. if you're okay with playing a very suboptimal build then go right ahead, that's up to you.

I'm not writing this comment out of spite or with any ill intentions just so you know


Finally some actual feedback. Thanks for the info. The whole reason I was leaning on the frenzy side was just for a different build haven't played one in a long time. I didn't really think a whole lot on the skill use issue. Just figured putting max mf on this would be doable. So I get the horker idea but I'm also trying to be able to get through a p8 game which is very difficult with a berserk barb. I also haven't played it since the 2.4 changes though maybe it's easier. Also why I was relying on the cb to cut through the bigger monsters a bit quicker with the lower damage output compared to a botd or grief scenario. Also this would open my whole inventory to whatever charms I would like. I suppose it's not meant to be if my test is that rough.
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Quote (Dolphy @ Aug 30 2022 10:45am)
I'll give you some good boy feedback if you can handle it. here goes

last wish is a terrible item. only particularly useful thing on it is the cb, which you can easily get from other items. not to mention that cb isn't half as effective as you seem to think it is outside of ubers. the damage a grief provides is too good to ever pass up, no matter what sort of a barb you are.
the same thing goes for eternity. it's not half as good as a bad grief and you don't need the 30 mf it provides.

let's move on from the weps. frenzy + hork is a bad combo. it's too skill point reliant. berserk + hork is safer, faster, has more dmg and is less gear reliant. that's why everyone uses it and no one uses frenzy. zerk builds also don't need any ll or cb at all to be effective.

it's also a bad idea to stack too much mf. mf has diminished returns past a certain point, generally you don't need more than 250-350. however, mf barbs (zerk) usually have no issues reaching close to 500 without sacrificing much damage/survivability. you do that by having an isted ali/6x ist pb in your off-hand, using a shako (cham), eni, wts, gheed and mf scs. that's all you need.

so in summary, your proposed build is strictly worse than the standard pvm barb builds out there, by quite a large margin. there's no way around that. if you're okay with playing a very suboptimal build then go right ahead, that's up to you.

I'm not writing this comment out of spite or with any ill intentions just so you know


Finally some actual feedback. Thanks for the info. The whole reason I was leaning on the frenzy side was just for a different build haven't played one in a long time. I didn't really think a whole lot on the skill use issue. Just figured putting max mf on this would be doable. So I get the horker idea but I'm also trying to be able to get through a p8 game which is very difficult with a berserk barb. I also haven't played it since the 2.4 changes though maybe it's easier (assuming no shield) Also why I was relying on the cb to cut through the bigger monsters a bit quicker with the lower damage output compared to a botd or grief scenario. Also this would open my whole inventory to whatever charms I would like. I suppose it's not meant to be if my test is that rough.
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Finally some actual feedback. Thanks for the info. The whole reason I was leaning on the frenzy side was just for a different build haven't played one in a long time. I didn't really think a whole lot on the skill use issue. Just figured putting max mf on this would be doable. So I get the horker idea but I'm also trying to be able to get through a p8 game which is very difficult with a berserk barb. I also haven't played it since the 2.4 changes though maybe it's easier. Also why I was relying on the cb to cut through the bigger monsters a bit quicker with the lower damage output compared to a botd or grief scenario. Also this would open my whole inventory to whatever charms I would like. I suppose it's not meant to be if my test is that rough.


barbs in general struggle solo in p8 games. zerks the least, since their dmg doesn't come from CB which has significantly reduced values in higher player counts. not to mention that casting howl pretty much makes you immortal, which means a lot in higher player counts

if you decide to stick with frenzy anyway, I strongly advise you to dual wield grief pbs. the raw dmg is even more important in higher player counts. without it, you'll probably need a full minute to clear elite packs
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Aug 30 2022 10:17am
Grief >
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Grief+different off hand(for frenzy barb) is ever somewhat comparable to double grief? I mean that in overall pvm, as in good for doing anything in the game, and also not specifically for MF?
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