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Aug 13 2014 05:14pm
very detailed guide, bree :)
just can say that even i learned a bit more about bvb :) we never learn out :)
further more ^^ in any theory questions bree is my first choice :D

but i got one thing i would add :)
you brought up arreat 08 but not highlord 08 i think this is a little bit better than standard highlord :)

anyway :) will follow this thread :)

see ya m8
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Aug 14 2014 09:29am
U should give eni more credit bree i went 5-4 vs xenion and 5-3 vs u in the last tour and i play eni 5 bo visio
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Aug 17 2014 01:15am
Quote (Hasuki @ 14 Aug 2014 01:14)
very detailed guide, bree :)
just can say that even i learned a bit more about bvb :) we never learn out :)
further more ^^ in any theory questions bree is my first choice :D

but i got one thing i would add :)
you brought up arreat 08 but not highlord 08 i think this is a little bit better than standard highlord :)

anyway :) will follow this thread :)

see ya m8


good idea,
indeed it is Powerful with the 30 frw,
i think i forgot about it because Perm ones are really rare^^

and ty ^_^

Quote (Kenniacmoto @ 14 Aug 2014 17:29)
U should give eni more credit bree i went 5-4 vs xenion and 5-3 vs u in the last tour and i play eni 5 bo visio


it is the 2. armor i mentioned :D
I think it is a good armor, if you know what you do ^^
still the low def and 43%dr is a disadvantage if you don't play the right way

This post was edited by Breee on Aug 17 2014 01:16am
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Aug 17 2014 03:49am
just see new bvbers in the trade sections go all rare armors.. because eni/arreats is a bad build and it definately not i played this build and its really great!
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Aug 17 2014 04:16am
Quote (Kenniacmoto @ 17 Aug 2014 10:49)
just see new bvbers in the trade sections go all rare armors.. because eni/arreats is a bad build and it definately not i played this build and its really great!

i think many players don´t like the low attack rating with arreats (only ~22k), or is there a way to fix this?
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Aug 17 2014 04:16am
Quote (Kenniacmoto @ 17 Aug 2014 11:49)
just see new bvbers in the trade sections go all rare armors.. because eni/arreats is a bad build and it definately not i played this build and its really great!


i played this build alot as well, and i know it can be unbeatable in the right hands ;)

but well np. gonna add something to Eni soon.
but i never Said it is Bad :P

but still the Rare Armors Beat it in average.
of course botd vs botd


Quote (daste @ 17 Aug 2014 12:16)
i think many players don´t like the low attack rating with arreats (only ~22k), or is there a way to fix this?


ar/life sc's or gc's
but i think 22 k ar are enough
my 2v2 Build has 21 k and Hit well enough

This post was edited by Breee on Aug 17 2014 04:25am
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Aug 17 2014 09:46am
I think Breee never said is bad since is 2nd option written there and is alot advatages of the Enigma :)

+2 Skills = +Damage +Attack Rating +Life from 2 BO also +Defense from +2 Iron Skin +2 Shout..

+Huge Strength Bonus is good Damage and +45 Frw to runing because if you only hold Right Click and Whirling and Whirling it is not good idea you know it guys when you dueling i think .)

Perf Eth Arreat + Perf Eni will be allways nice combo in my eyes.


PS: Nice Orb Sorc in your profile :drool: Ice Cold Killa!
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Aug 17 2014 10:35am
Stats wise, eni gear is way behind a rare eth armour. Some ppl apparently think that the lack of def can be balanced using arreat (eth or non) but thats just a bad choice. (Would be nice to show in calcs how arreat is never a good choice compared to 5bo visios or diadems)

Even defense charms only mean an additional loss of ar and damage so thats to be avoided as well.

Despite that, 45frw in the hands of an experienced player can rly make the difference.
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Aug 17 2014 11:59am
Quote (Hamm @ 17 Aug 2014 17:46)
I think Breee never said is bad since is 2nd option written there and is alot advatages of the Enigma :)

+2 Skills = +Damage +Attack Rating +Life from 2 BO also +Defense from +2 Iron Skin +2 Shout..

+Huge Strength Bonus is good Damage and +45 Frw to runing because if you only hold Right Click and Whirling and Whirling it is not good idea you know it guys when you dueling i think .)

Perf Eth Arreat + Perf Eni will be allways nice combo in my eyes.


PS: Nice Orb Sorc in your profile  :drool: Ice Cold Killa!


Yes, Eth perf upped arreat + Eni is a solid choice, I saw it with my own eyes :lol:


Quote (UberMensh @ 17 Aug 2014 18:35)
Stats wise, eni gear is way behind a rare eth armour. Some ppl apparently think that the lack of def can be balanced using arreat (eth or non) but thats just a bad choice. (Would be nice to show in calcs how arreat is never a good choice compared to 5bo visios or diadems)

Even defense charms only mean an additional loss of ar and damage so thats to be avoided as well.

Despite that, 45frw in the hands of an experienced player can rly make the difference.



well,
Eni vs Rare armor.

Eni got..

Less Def,
Less DR
More Life ~500-1k more
similar AR
similar dmg (sometimes even more)
big load of frw.

It is strong as hell, but you have to be a bit more careful as with a rare Armor.


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If we talk about Eth arreat + eni..
it's a solid build..
you won't lack that much def anymore,
you are all in all more robust and still got alot Life.

the only "problem" is the AR that is way lower as with a visio.
it's ~20-22 k.
the point is that this is actually enough AR to play AoW imo.
21k+ ar work fine for me.

also the dmg isn't a point at all.
my 2v2 build for example got:

~ 7,2 k life
~ 5 k dmg (my botd build got 6,x k dmg)
~ 22 k ar
~ 32 k def

and is still effective as hell
also in 1v1 it worked pretty well.
this is the reason why i set the "Stat-Aims" the way I did.

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I can post some calcs with eth Arreat vs Visio, as soon as I got time.

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Aug 17 2014 12:12pm
Arreat 504 Jewel'd and Eth Arreat 756 are storng bvb/Aow helmets.. same as 415 Botd ba is strong/maybe strongest weapon bvb/aow still..
It is well stated helmets for barbarians.

Many guys underrate it and have before theyre eyes only $$$ "yellow letter'd items" visio/bo/2sox/fools/eth-rep etc..
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