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Dec 8 2013 12:43pm
Good job guys, one of the best and most detailed guides i have seen so far.

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Dec 8 2013 01:03pm
Just for the layout and pictures I'd give a 10/10.

In-detail and easy to read, sticky approved imo!
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Dec 8 2013 01:18pm
Javazon TL;DR verison No. 1 >
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Dec 8 2013 01:22pm
Top guide, you guys put much efforts in it and it deserve to be stickied asap
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Dec 8 2013 01:56pm
Top guide
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Have to get stickied!!!
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Dec 8 2013 02:10pm
Quote (Marcusd0 @ Dec 8 2013 04:44pm)
10/10 ofc



Quote (ferdia @ Dec 8 2013 06:04pm)
amazing.


Quote (Tbone90 @ Dec 8 2013 06:43pm)
Good job guys, one of the best and most detailed guides i have seen so far.

11/10


Quote (Bling @ Dec 8 2013 07:03pm)
Just for the layout and pictures I'd give a 10/10.

In-detail and easy to read, sticky approved imo!


Quote (Soppamies @ Dec 8 2013 07:18pm)
Javazon TL;DR verison No. 1 >


Quote (Sreial_ganja @ Dec 8 2013 07:22pm)
Top guide, you guys put much efforts in it and it deserve to be stickied asap


Quote (LoDAss @ Dec 8 2013 07:56pm)
Top guide
11/10
Have to get stickied!!!


Thanks a lot to all of urs :wub:
First version was more detailed (2 more pages) but we though it was enough like it :)
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Dec 9 2013 02:06am
PikaBum finally stopped whining about everyone around beeing crap zon players and wrote a guide^^
Not to mention it should have been done like a half decade ago but well... better later than never;)

I really like the idea of the 'discuss' between the 2 authors
as it shows more than 1 possible playing style and gear choice.

Imo you should've mentioned a huge damah javelin as an alternative...
1 pt penetrate and crit along with some decent dmg eth rep 40ias/x sk javelins would definitelly give a nice punch when throwing (possibility of owning bm crapp sorbers just by furying-kb them to death).
Also, when having decent ar, landing javeling will cause block animation and that's a few frames of advantage.
2 skill points is just a loss of ~600 onscren dmg as far as I remember.

The guide also lacks videos of you 2 playing your own style.
Vids are always inspiring and definitelly give a lot better source of info about gameplay than written strategies (which a lot of people simply skip...)

Other than that it's the best guide @ jsp.
It's stylistically very clear and that's very important cause some guides are simply unreadable due to the bad choice of a font, size and colours.
Tho some minor language mistakes are present^^
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Dec 9 2013 02:10am
loool 1/10 :lol:
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Dec 9 2013 02:14am
Quote (mysz15 @ Dec 9 2013 09:06am)
PikaBum finally stopped whining about everyone around beeing crap zon players and wrote a guide^^
Not to mention it should have been done like a half decade ago but well... better later than never;)

I really like the idea of the 'discuss' between the 2 authors
as it shows more than 1 possible playing style and gear choice.

Imo you should've mentioned a huge damah javelin as an alternative...
1 pt penetrate and crit along with some decent dmg eth rep 40ias/x sk javelins would definitelly give a nice punch when throwing (possibility of owning bm crapp sorbers just by furying-kb them to death).
Also, when having decent ar, landing javeling will cause block animation and that's a few frames of advantage.
2 skill points is just a loss of ~600 onscren dmg as far as I remember.

The guide also lacks videos of you 2 playing your own style.
Vids are always inspiring and definitelly give a lot better source of info about gameplay than written strategies (which a lot of people simply skip...)

Other than that it's the best guide @ jsp.
It's stylistically very clear and that's very important cause some guides are simply unreadable due to the bad choice of a font, size and colours.
Tho some minor language mistakes are present^^


Do I have to skill Critical Strike and Penetrate?
    No, we tried a setup with physical damage, with a lot of Open Wounds and Critical Strike with high ED Ethereal Repl javelins, but the fact it is that the Javazon is an elemental character and if you wish to do decent physical damage you will have to max your stash with this EQ switch which makes you lose flexibility versus other characters. When someone tries to absorb you just simply brb with another character and slap them silly.
    This is the reason why we decided to max the synergies instead to put skill points in Critical Strike and Penetrate.
As stated above we've tried this but as it takes up way too much space and isn't really that effective we decided to not emphasize it. I only really found it useful vs wind druids to be honest. If someone sorbs you/bms you on a javazon you will lose, doesnt matter if you have some phys dmg or not ^^

The video thing is a valid point and we did think about it, however, lack of time and eacb not having his zon ready + me having mine on LS didn't make it easier. If anyone wants advice in any match up they're welcome to post here and/or pm me or eacb, either we make a vid or try to be more detailed. Pvp, as many other things, are very subjective to the player it self more than the match up. A lot depends on the counter part, how they play, if they're offensive or not etc.

If you could point out the grammar mistakes that would be great.

Thanks <3

/e and of course, if anyone wants to duel me or eacb they're welcome to just drop a pm and we'll show up with our zons! :D

/e2 and by the way, fury doesn't have a AR check ^^

This post was edited by CraZeeY on Dec 9 2013 02:19am
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Dec 9 2013 02:24am
Quote (mysz15 @ Dec 9 2013 08:06am)
PikaBum finally stopped whining about everyone around beeing crap zon players and wrote a guide^^
Not to mention it should have been done like a half decade ago but well... better later than never;)

I really like the idea of the 'discuss' between the 2 authors
as it shows more than 1 possible playing style and gear choice.

Imo you should've mentioned a huge damah javelin as an alternative...
1 pt penetrate and crit along with some decent dmg eth rep 40ias/x sk javelins would definitelly give a nice punch when throwing (possibility of owning bm crapp sorbers just by furying-kb them to death).
Also, when having decent ar, landing javeling will cause block animation and that's a few frames of advantage.
2 skill points is just a loss of ~600 onscren dmg as far as I remember.

The guide also lacks videos of you 2 playing your own style.
Vids are always inspiring and definitelly give a lot better source of info about gameplay than written strategies (which a lot of people simply skip...)

Other than that it's the best guide @ jsp.
It's stylistically very clear and that's very important cause some guides are simply unreadable due to the bad choice of a font, size and colours.
Tho some minor language mistakes are present^^


Thanks for your comment.
As written in part 3, we tried together 4/40/eth/repl with critical and penetrate. Using hl, to have ~80cs. I tried also to add a psn sc... I tried all i guess... But physical dmg are still low, we are not a bowa full of scs using a jav. Javazon stays an elemental char and full sorbers are a pain ...

And yes, add some videos would be great indeed.

Quote (emo @ Dec 9 2013 08:10am)
loool 1/10  :lol:


Hmmm.. Why? :cry:
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