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Dec 20 2011 12:21am
Quote (TupacShakur008 @ 20 Dec 2011 01:19)
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One things i dissagree on is haviing to use javs without physical dmg... the phsical dmg good javs can do is gfg..


There's nothing in here that says you can't have physical damage... :unsure:
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Quote (DiablosLegion @ Dec 19 2011 10:09pm)
Good point. Next time He PKs one, he should just lie down & die at the sight of a B Nec...

This IS a guide for building a Zon, and what tactics to use, NOT a "what char class is better" discussion.


Have you ever handled a java?
Ofc you CAN win vs a necro even tho the chance is quite small (atleast vs decent necs), im just saying that he should not "base" everything about fhr since it wont help as much as he says. We play on different realms and im sure the players on the different realms have different playstyles and the matchups might not look the same. A decent nec @ eu would just teeth some and prolly get u into dodgelock so golem can hit you to slow you down then spear you to death, atleast that's how I'd do it or just keep a distance so you cant get cs/fury lock on them.

I've played enough javazon to know what im talking about and im certainly not discussing which characters are better than others, but you seem too belligerent to understand that.

When you make a guide you've got to be prepared to get some criticism both constructive and bullshit troll stuff. Im not trashing this guide at all, as a matter of fact this is almost exactly how I made my first javazon.
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ARG ................. USE WALKY ON A TELEPORT JAVA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Quote (eacb @ Dec 20 2011 01:06pm)
ARG ................. USE WALKY ON A TELEPORT JAVA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And no 95 IAS BP when using FCR amu?? Sorry but i count 90 ....
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And no 95 IAS BP when using FCR amu?? Sorry but i count 90 ....


Lol this is true XD
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Dec 20 2011 10:35am
Quote (CraZeeY @ Dec 20 2011 04:13am)
Have you ever handled a java?
Ofc you CAN win vs a necro even tho the chance is quite small (atleast vs decent necs), im just saying that he should not "base" everything about fhr since it wont help as much as he says. We play on different realms and im sure the players on the different realms have different playstyles and the matchups might not look the same. A decent nec @ eu would just teeth some and prolly get u into dodgelock so golem can hit you to slow you down then spear you to death, atleast that's how I'd do it or just keep a distance so you cant get cs/fury lock on them.

I've played enough javazon to know what im talking about and im certainly not discussing which characters are better than others, but you seem too belligerent to understand that.

When you make a guide you've got to be prepared to get some criticism both constructive and bullshit troll stuff. Im not trashing this guide at all, as a matter of fact this is almost exactly how I made my first javazon.




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Bone – Gear JMOD and FCR Amulet
You really have to keep moving vs bone necros. Switch up between teleport and running. Don’t let them lock you with spirit and bone prison. Keep casting light fury until you are able to lock them from light fury to charge strike. If you get hit by the stone golem, it will slow your ias and fhr so stay away from him.

Poison - Gear JMOD and FCR amulet
Chainlock and destroy.


I do not see where he based everything off of FHR against Necros. In fact, he says "You really have to keep moving vs bone necros. "
It appears to me he is saying you have to move & learn to move, in order to beat them.
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Quote (DiablosLegion @ Dec 20 2011 05:35pm)
Necro
Bone – Gear JMOD and FCR Amulet
You really have to keep moving vs bone necros. Switch up between teleport and running. Don’t let them lock you with spirit and bone prison. Keep casting light fury until you are able to lock them from light fury to charge strike. If you get hit by the stone golem, it will slow your ias and fhr so stay away from him.

Poison - Gear JMOD and FCR amulet
Chainlock and destroy.


I do not see where he based everything off of FHR against Necros. In fact, he says "You really have to keep moving vs bone necros. "
It appears to me he is saying you have to move & learn to move, in order to beat them.


Quote (darken99 @ Dec 19 2011 05:41am)
Maybe if all you do is tele and cs. If you are using run,tele, lf and cs it is amazing how much easier it is to kill people.  Looking from the CS zon you had for sale, it doesn't look like fhr was one of your priorities with your build.


Thats what I quoted and that's when u reacted.
Here he states that just because the "other part" claimed that a decent nec would 5-0 a java that he lost because of he didnt have enough fhr.
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Dec 21 2011 02:20pm
Let me address the outstanding issues, which I briefly mentioned earlier (but did not specify):

  1. fps (frames per second) refers to the Diablo II game engine speed (25 fps, not to be confused with the fluctuating graphical framerate displayed when issuing the /fps or /framerate commands in a game).
    When referring to the duration of certain animations, use either term ''fpa'' (frames per animation) or just ''frames'', alternatively ''ticks''.
  2. You could list action frame FCR breakpoints. If you do not know what they are or what they mean, you can search for them in our Diablo II - Basin Wiki (Class -> Amazon -> Cast rate).
  3. You seem to have misinterpreted weapon speed (WSM) as negative IAS (''-10% IAS base Javalins'') lowering IAS breakpoints. They do not add.
  4. You reach only 90 IAS with the equipment outlined in the guide (15+40+15+20), and not ''105% Total Ias'', so you do in fact not reach 7 fpa CS (95 IAS minimum with any -10 WSM javelin).
  5. ''crafted 14+fcr'' should read as ''crafted +(15-20)% FCR'' (+14% FCR Amulet does not exist).
  6. ''Jewelers Monarch of Deflection'': the suffix is known as ''of Deflecting'', as you can easily check.
  7. You ought to mention that ''Rare boots – 30frw/20 fhr/stats/tri-res'' are pre-LoD (this isn't common knowledge).
  8. ''Rare/Crafted – 20ias/2jav/Knock Back/resistance/stats'' makes it look like rare gloves can have Knockback. They can't (only Cleglaw's Pincers Chain Gloves and Hit Power gloves supply it).

Check your guide for grammar and typos (there are quite a few).

That'll be all for now. MC and HNY!

This post was edited by Eywa on Dec 21 2011 02:25pm
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Quote (Eywa @ Dec 21 2011 02:20pm)
Let me address the outstanding issues, which I briefly mentioned earlier (but did not specify):

  1. fps (frames per second) refers to the Diablo II game engine speed (25 fps, not to be confused with the fluctuating graphical framerate displayed when issuing the /fps or /framerate commands in a game).
    When referring to the duration of certain animations, use either term ''fpa'' (frames per animation) or just ''frames'', alternatively ''ticks''.
  2. You could list action frame FCR breakpoints. If you do not know what they are or what they mean, you can search for them in our Diablo II - Basin Wiki (Class -> Amazon -> Cast rate).
  3. You seem to have misinterpreted weapon speed (WSM) as negative IAS (''-10% IAS base Javalins'') lowering IAS breakpoints. They do not add.
  4. You reach only 90 IAS with the equipment outlined in the guide (15+40+15+20), and not ''105% Total Ias'', so you do in fact not reach 7 fpa CS (95 IAS minimum with any -10 WSM javelin).
  5. ''crafted 14+fcr'' should read as ''crafted +(15-20)% FCR'' (+14% FCR Amulet does not exist).
  6. ''Jewelers Monarch of Deflection'': the suffix is known as ''of Deflecting'', as you can easily check.
  7. You ought to mention that ''Rare boots – 30frw/20 fhr/stats/tri-res'' are pre-LoD (this isn't common knowledge).
  8. ''Rare/Crafted – 20ias/2jav/Knock Back/resistance/stats'' makes it look like rare gloves can have Knockback. They can't (only Cleglaw's Pincers Chain Gloves and Hit Power gloves supply it).

Check your guide for grammar and typos (there are quite a few).

That'll be all for now. MC and HNY!


Yeah there are always more things I could have put on. Most people will get the picture from what I have included. Only thing worth commenting on is the ias breakpoint which it states at the beginning of the pvp section that the standard gear only hits the 8 frames.
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