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Dec 8 2011 09:41am
The only way I see this build working is against people who have no idea what they're doing.
Might as well just build a Hammerdin or Mage with a Widow and OW setup in stash for when you want to attempt to bleed someone with it.
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Dec 8 2011 01:24pm
Quote (young2093 @ Dec 8 2011 08:41am)
The only way I see this build working is against people who have no idea what they're doing.
Might as well just build a Hammerdin or Mage with a Widow and OW setup in stash for when you want to attempt to bleed someone with it.


Well I've fought vs many who know what they're doing and done very well. Hammerdins or mages will not have strong arrow/charge damage to be of use. Again, my arrows are doing 1k-2.4k and with deadly strike, that 2k-4.8k 84% of the time. No mage/hdin can get those numbers. a hdin can't make anyone come to him with a basic widow swap. Arrows can't be resisted like FOH can. With ias and 3-4k average damage and OW, 3 or 4 of these arrows will do better in the same time it takes to cast a medicore FOH.

Quote (Tommyvv @ Dec 8 2011 08:25am)
bye increasing bow damage i not mean, putting a ed jewel in bow!
or do you mean a 15ias 40ed jewel to compensate the lost of ias when take knockback gloves==> knockback gloves can also have ias
what i mean is that your mistake = loosing knockback over some stats/stack resist

and i think if you want more succes from hybrid din, you need to get rid of this all used tactic: tanking+life>
on a pure 1 skill foccus din you need this tanking, and on mirrow matches, not on rare-hybrid

atm:
weak target: dies from errows, have zero chance to kill you
medium target: get tiny agro from errow, is willing to take action, makes hammerfield have more succes thx to errows
stronk target: ignores your errow, and your becoming a ''normal'' hammer-smiter

you should mix in more errow damage/control(kb):
weak target: dies from 1-3errows / have some chance in killing you, couse you not overtank
medium target: can die from errow
stronk target: get agro from errow, is forces to take action, makes hammerfield have more succes thx to errows


Strong targets cannot ignore my arrows, it always makes them come closer. I'ts not just an annoyance.
I thought about having knockback, would be beneficial to allow more time for hammers before they reach me. Maybe I'll give it a try. I just really like the dual stats on rare gloves and more res.
Using all my skills really benefits this build and taking away any of the skills completely negates the point of it. Granted I don't use arrows vs some, and I don't use charge vs some, but the combination is very hard for opponents to deal with.

Quote (franek @ Dec 8 2011 08:26am)
yea like your guide


wow can't compete with this, out of my league here.

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Dec 21 2011 01:21am
Any other input on improving this without making it another build?
I'm on SCNL if anyone wants to vs this build.
I appreciate all input just be nice, which is a tough request I know.
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Dec 21 2011 02:54am
it doesmake sence to use it
but i also think that a regular hdin is better overall
i cant rly see any matchup other than es soso (ow>) where this is an advantage :/
but 10/10 cause i love widow

any sintyp would be better with widow on setup 2
same goes for baba

This post was edited by MoXeR on Dec 21 2011 02:55am
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Quote (MoXeR @ Dec 21 2011 12:54am)
it doesmake sence to use it
but i also think that a regular hdin is better overall
i cant rly see any matchup other than es soso (ow>) where this is an advantage :/
but 10/10 cause i love widow

any sintyp would be better with widow on setup 2
same goes for baba


I think this build has advantage over hdin vs bowas/trappers/sorcs, and vs anyone that know how to avoid hammers.
I think a regular hdin has advantage vs a good smiter or maybe a druid (hdin with grief) since more smite dmg with more pcombs.
It really is hard to understand the effectiveness of this build without seeing in action.

This post was edited by uptoolayte on Dec 21 2011 03:42am
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Dec 21 2011 05:17am
i was the first to use widowmaker on a charger, and i did it more effectively than anyone ever could, and it is very fun xD
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Dec 21 2011 05:29am
Quote (sXTitan @ Dec 21 2011 03:17am)
i was the first to use widowmaker on a charger, and i did it more effectively than anyone ever could, and it is very fun xD


I do it fairly effectively too :D
Fun to shoot arrows and have someone rush towards you to meet hammers
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Dec 21 2011 11:41am
Quote (uptoolayte @ Dec 21 2011 04:29am)
I do it fairly effectively too :D
Fun to shoot arrows and have someone rush towards you to meet hammers


i could see a libby with widowmaker being decent, but your hammers would be too weak to scare a good barb from just straight plowing you while you tried to ga, and if you set up a field of spam they'd just telezerk your blind spot, atleast i would anyway; maybe i need to duel it to see :D
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Dec 21 2011 11:44pm
Yeah pm me for game. Anyone on. WSCNL Id be glad to vs.
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Dec 22 2011 12:13am
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