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Jan 12 2007 11:59am
Quote (Trae8 @ Thu, Jan 11 2007, 10:49pm)
So lets take an average character then on your realm. Say a BvC barb, since they usually have pretty decent resists:

Start with -100%
anni -80%
torch -60%
nat res -10%
Arreats +20%
Fcr ring +35%
Fcr ring +50%

* This of course assumes you even wear double FCR rings, and also assumes they both have 15% poison resist on them, not likely *

So, even if the barb wears Treks, he has 120% poison resists in hell with that set up, with double poison resist FCR rings. That means, D web alone takes him to even resists, and facets and lower resists takes him way below. Even if he chugs antidotes, he is less then maxed in hell with the D Web set up, WHILE using Treks.

Do the same thing for any character you want. You will see, that poison resists, even with Treks on, won't be high enough to negate it if the nec wears D Web. Plus add to that, Light, Cold, and Fire resists are 10 tiems more important. Nobody focuses on poison resists, because the other 3 are so much better. So most gear won't even have poison resists on it. Even the GG dupes often don't have poison resists.

300%? So what kind of character has 300% poison resists in hell? What a waste. Treks, even for legit players, is a very poor choice of boot. You can easily get a legit 30/10 pair with stats and good resists that rape treks any day. Resists are far too important to not wear rare boots.


That would be the normal gear that somebody would wear. Then they would see that you are a psn nova nec and throw on fade, treks, kira, wiz spike, ect and then your selection of dweb as a wep would be totally useless. You are basing their psn res off of just normal gear. You really think that nobody is gonna stack on the resist vs a psn nova nec or any caster for that matter?
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Jan 12 2007 07:16pm
I'm curious though, you guys are kind of talking as if Poison / summon necs are some how good mannered. In my opinion, this is a pubby BM character only. On my realm, they are banned in team duels, and nobody one on ones good manners with them either. As a pubby char, they are quite good. Remember there are 7 other people in the game. If someone really wanted to negate poison they could of course. But then, all the other characters in the game will have a field day with you. In my experience (alot smile.gif ) about 1% of the characters you will encounter actually carry the necessary gear in chest to actually negate a -120% poison necro to the point where d web is useless. And as I said, i'm a west player. That means Wiz gloves aswell as mass high end dupes, and people still don't have 120% maxed poison res. Most of the time, even if they chug antidotes before duel, with dweb they are still below maxed in hell. Even vs barbs that use wiz gloves and buff with treachery, it still takes them below 75% in hell.

This is the ONLY reason why poison necs are effective in BM hell games. Of course if you take a poison nec into nightmare and stack him, he can't hurt you, that's not the point. MANY characters can be stacked / absorbed to the point of being useless. Trappers, any sorc, foh pally's, even WW sins. Any character that rely's on elemental damage can be made totally and completely useless by anyone if they really wanted to.

The point is, a -120% poison resist necro in hell, is very rarely negated or stacked. Nearly everyone is ready to negate fire/cold/light. But few people even bother with poison gear because there are so few out there. In like a year, i've seen maybe 5 poison necs. It's not worth having the gear in chest for most people. That's what makes them good.

IMO, a poison nec without D web, would be like a cold sorc without Fathom, or an FOH'er without a 25/25 foh stick, or a barb without grief, etc etc... D web was MADE for poison necs
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Jan 14 2007 01:07am
Quote (Trae8 @ Sat, Jan 13 2007, 01:16am)
I'm curious though, you guys are kind of talking as if Poison / summon necs are some how good mannered. In my opinion, this is a pubby BM character only. On my realm, they are banned in team duels, and nobody one on ones good manners with them either. As a pubby char, they are quite good. Remember there are 7 other people in the game. If someone really wanted to negate poison they could of course. But then, all the other characters in the game will have a field day with you. In my experience (alot smile.gif ) about 1% of the characters you will encounter actually carry the necessary gear in chest to actually negate a -120% poison necro to the point where d web is useless. And as I said, i'm a west player. That means Wiz gloves aswell as mass high end dupes, and people still don't have 120% maxed poison res. Most of the time, even if they chug antidotes before duel, with dweb they are still below maxed in hell. Even vs barbs that use wiz gloves and buff with treachery, it still takes them below 75% in hell.

This is the ONLY reason why poison necs are effective in BM hell games. Of course if you take a poison nec into nightmare and stack him, he can't hurt you, that's not the point. MANY characters can be stacked / absorbed to the point of being useless. Trappers, any sorc, foh pally's, even WW sins. Any character that rely's on elemental damage can be made totally and completely useless by anyone if they really wanted to.

The point is, a -120% poison resist necro in hell, is very rarely negated or stacked. Nearly everyone is ready to negate fire/cold/light. But few people even bother with poison gear because there are so few out there. In like a year, i've seen maybe 5 poison necs. It's not worth having the gear in chest for most people. That's what makes them good.

IMO, a poison nec without D web, would be like a cold sorc without Fathom, or an FOH'er without a 25/25 foh stick, or a barb without grief, etc etc... D web was MADE for poison necs


ok I'll add Dweb to the list in the updated version.

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Jano's Poison/Summoner guide is a good alternative to this. This one is better for close range dueling, his is best for ranged.

This one will do a much higher Poison Nova damage, but his mages being maxed, along with Lower Resist, gives him an advantage when you need to fight defensively, that mainly being vs. AoE attackers (windies, FB sorcs, Fissure Druids, Blizz Sorcs, et cetera)..just depends on your dueling style really.
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Jan 17 2007 01:12pm
Quote (Flonne @ Wed, Jan 17 2007, 11:02am)
Jano's Poison/Summoner guide is a good alternative to this. This one is better for close range dueling, his is best for ranged.

This one will do a much higher Poison Nova damage, but his mages being maxed, along with Lower Resist, gives him an advantage when you need to fight defensively, that mainly being vs. AoE attackers (windies, FB sorcs, Fissure Druids, Blizz Sorcs, et cetera)..just depends on your dueling style really.


you are hardly going to do any damage with mages against wind druids when you they have a zoo to protect them, and since nova has a limited range you have to be on screen with them - that really limits your ranging dueling
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Mar 5 2007 02:06am
B U M P - a small bump after a long time biggrin.gif

This post was edited by roky8 on Mar 5 2007 02:06am
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Jun 11 2007 12:30am
i really like the build -> xping a necro atm tongue.gif

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