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my psn nec set up gives -95% epr.. and 12k dmg nova. so my skells have a easy job.. most monsters dia after 1 hit( not demons like dia baal++)..
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my psn nec set up gives -95% epr.. and 12k dmg nova. so my skells have a easy job.. most monsters dia after 1 hit( not demons like dia baal++)..


Fo sho.
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More discussion? :)
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Fo sho.


what fcr do this set up give?? and fhr..?

and by the way.. you say in this guide that you use insight golem..( ladder only) if you play nl..kind of waste.... and you dont add (20) to golem mastery..even then. golem dies some times..

i have maxed golem mastery..and even my golem dies some times..(nl player).. and my golem have 8k life+ bo..(14+k life)..

so i think. if you use iron golem. it is better to max golem mastery. is better than max raise skells..i have 23 in r skells.. thats more than good..(lvl 94)
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what fcr do this set up give?? and fhr..?

and by the way.. you say in this guide that you use insight golem..( ladder only) if you play nl..kind of waste.... and you dont add (20) to golem mastery..even then. golem dies some times..

i have maxed golem mastery..and even my golem dies some times..(nl player).. and my golem have 8k life+ bo..(14+k life)..

so i think. if you use iron golem. it is better to max golem mastery. is better than max raise skells..i have 23 in r skells.. thats more than good..(lvl 94)


Well, there are various different builds and options listed, so those statistics change. If using it, Bramble is the source of FHR with 50%.

My preferences, which are the green items in the OP, net you 80% fcr and 0% fhr.

Swapping in Bramble leaves you with 80% fcr and 50% fhr.

Bramble and 3 piece trangs leaves you with 60% fcr and 50% fhr.

Enigma and 3 piece trang oul's will leave you with 60% fcr and 0% fhr.

A Bramble set up with a magic necro head will leave you with 80% fcr, and 50% FHR or more depending on if the shield has fhr.

Full Trang Oul's leaves you with a slower than expected fcr (different tables for vampire form) due to a bug with vampire mode, and 0% fhr.

Necromancer
FCR Frames
0% 15
9% 14
18% 13
30% 12
48% 11
75% 10
125% 9

Necromancer
Vampire form
FCR frames
0% 23
6% 22
11% 21
18% 20
24% 19
35% 18
48% 17
65% 16
86% 15
120% 14
180% 13

I suppose what you say in regards to the golem might be more relevant to NL players, which I admit I am not, but this past ladder I lost 1 Iron Golem with my poison necro. And this was only because I wasn't paying attention and he got crushed by a mob before I could get him out of there. One just needs to keep an eye on him from time to time and make sure his health is still in the green. In my opinion maxing golem mastery is a waste in any necro situation, not just as a poisonmancer. 1 point, + skills, and BO makes these guys pretty damn hearty. At most one can divert some points from CE and drop an extra 2-4 hard points into Golem Mastery if they wish.

I addressed FCR and FHR before but just to reiterate...you can get buy with a lower FCR on a poison necro but I tele a lot, and use lots of curses, with fast switching between skills. Anything lower than 75% FCR messes with my playstyle. BUT, it can certainly be done and others don't mind (enigma + 3 piece trang oul's for example). Having 0% FHR has never been a problem for me and I don't think it is critical for this character.

Thank for the comments sir! I'm always up for a healthy discussion :)
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Having 0% FHR has never been a problem for me and I don't think it is critical for this character.

agree...hm, but in your guide. you use homun..why.. i prefer 3 trang..

trang shield gives more stats and nice resist also...

homun 72 block> trang 60.. ok..but still...

but like you said.. preferance
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Having 0% FHR has never been a problem for me and I don't think it is critical for this character.

agree...hm, but in your guide. you use homun..why.. i prefer 3 trang..

trang shield gives more stats and nice resist  also...

homun 72 block> trang 60.. ok..but still...

but like you said.. preferance


Yeah.

The nice thing about this character is that there's a variety of gear set ups that you can choose. You can gear this character in a way that best suits your own playstyle while still producing an effective poison necro.

The greens highlight what I have found through several iterations of this character to be my own preferred, and thus recommended, gear selection. I have played pretty much every combination aside from a magic necro head option.

Like I said, I value 75% fcr and the 20% fcr from arachs is crucial for my build and how I play. Arachs and homunculus help me reach my character goals while allowing me the flexibility I am looking for in sockets and in my inventory.

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Yeah.

The nice thing about this character is that there's a variety of gear set ups that you can choose. You can gear this character in a way that best suits your own playstyle while still producing an effective poison necro.

The greens highlight what I have found through several iterations of this character to be my own preferred, and thus recommended, gear selection. I have played pretty much every combination aside from a magic necro head option.

Like I said, I value 75% fcr and the 20% fcr from arachs is crucial for my build and how I play. Arachs and homunculus help me reach my character goals while allowing me the flexibility I am looking for in sockets and in my inventory.


nice ansver...:O) very true..
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nice ansver...:O) very true..


For sure. Poison Necros are good stuff.

I don't typically see too many on EHCL but I saw a few pop up last ladder. I'm trying to bring some more attention to these bad ass characters :)

It looks like S&G is giving the build some love as a few guides went up within a few weeks of each other. Each one different :)
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