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Quote (Sylvanas @ Dec 6 2010 08:50pm)
Using 5 res/5 frw scs on bowa is pointless and wasteful, instead of swapping 3/20/5's with 5/5's you can swap 3/20/20's with 20/5's.


This is true depending on how much frw you desire.
150-170 is minimum to start desynching. I like going beyond that.
I have all that mass frw still maintaining nice avg dmg / amazing frw and over 2.2k hp
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Quote (budiu22 @ 6 Dec 2010 22:54)
This is true depending on how much frw you desire.
150-170 is minimum to start desynching. I like going beyond that.
I have all that mass frw still maintaining nice avg dmg / amazing frw and over 2.2k hp


you can desynch fine with <100 frw
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Quote (tudey @ Dec 6 2010 08:48pm)
its best with bb for sure but other realms are forced to use nos with it
and this guy isnt using psn sc, gmb build I got at one east priv realm has 1.2-5k without psn sc with like 1.9k life while this has 1.7-3.3, so its like 1/5 more damage with gmb build, but you get 50 dr instead of 35 (or 43 but no strbug with ber storm) and 40 vit and 13 rep and some zon skills and possible stats from helm, if you stat more dex with this build to get same life as with gmb build then the damage difference is smaller and you get still get that extra dr and rep, this build is viable when theres no bb

oh and this guy is even using bad choice of boots, WT build would do more damage, and he's using REALLY many frw scs


oh oki

mh then old eu build with 160/60 armor could do fine to i think, no?
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Quote (harg @ Dec 6 2010 08:56pm)
oh oki

mh then old eu build with 160/60 armor could do fine to i think, no?


16060 only good for zvz really... You will lose 140ed from fort, some life even if 100 life armor and 30 all res together with chance to cast chillin.
Quote (tudey @ Dec 6 2010 08:55pm)
you can desynch fine with <100 frw


Frw is a player preference. My build uses more frw. Depending on who I duel obviously.

Also someone motioned WT. I agree vs melée chars I guess. But when there's any res in game ( sins sorcs cs zons etc I like bitter brogues. 5% extra frw, over 30 total stats vs 20 from travs. You can always adjust scs too.
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Quote (harg @ 6 Dec 2010 22:56)
oh oki

mh then old eu build with 160/60 armor could do fine to i think, no?


yea, but you kinda waste a lot of ias then and fort has quite nice other stats too, imo fort diamond build is better

and gmb fort build works just fine as well, this is just an alternative which has a bit less damage but tanks more

Quote (budiu22 @ 6 Dec 2010 23:00)
16060 only good for zvz really... You will lose 140ed from fort, some life even if 100 life armor and 30 all res together with chance to cast chillin.


thats with gaze or something like that for zvz?

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Yep 16060 100 life, 08 gaze berd for 33% dr.
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16060 only good for zvz really... You will lose 140ed from fort, some life even if 100 life armor and 30 all res together with chance to cast chillin.


Frw is a player preference. My build uses more frw. Depending on who I duel obviously.

Also someone motioned WT. I agree vs melée chars I guess. But when there's any res in game ( sins sorcs cs zons etc I like bitter brogues. 5% extra frw, over 30 total stats vs 20 from travs. You can always adjust scs too.


oki

too much used about eu build with bb who cant get competed ^^

This post was edited by harg on Dec 6 2010 03:54pm
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i have wondered about the diamond bow, i know it takes less ias to get 7 frames, but as far as the more average dmg i dont think this is true. Once you factor in critical strike chance and the fact that you always do max dmg when you crit gmb will due much more "average" dmg i believe. Has anyone read anything about this, have any comments, or links to any thing about comparing the bow bases?
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i have wondered about the diamond bow, i know it takes less ias to get 7 frames, but as far as the more average dmg i dont think this is true. Once you factor in critical strike chance and the fact that you always do max dmg when you crit gmb will due much more "average" dmg i believe. Has anyone read anything about this, have any comments, or links to any thing about comparing the bow bases?


humm
i read that crit strike = double dmg. not automaticly max possible dmg x2

Passive Effect: Grants a chance to do double physical damage with your attacks.

http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/skills/amazon-passive.shtml

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Dec 6 2010 04:19pm
you know i love u, so heres my constructive criticism

faith diamond does not have more DPS than faith gmb

instead of using mavs belt, you're probably better off using 7x 3frw sc's or 4x 5frw sc's and keeping dungos. if you use 5frw sc's then dungos will add more life, if u use 3frw scs, then its 13life rep/15dr vs. 20 life

bitter brouges will save u from using...lets say 8x 3/5's .. which is 8x 3/3/20's u can use, thats 24max dmg/160 ar, travs add 15-25dmg so with travs you'll actually get more dmg, including min damage. also if you use the 3/5's you'll get 40@ res not 43light/36 cold/26 fire. so it works out to: 5frw, 160ar, 3light res, 11 stats(33 life no bo) vs. 1 max dmg, 15 min dmg, 4 cold res, 14 fire res, 40 poison res, and ofc the 50mf!! imo id go travs, or maybe even gores because the ds will increase your avg dmg, plus u get ow, but i guess if u want life/ar go with brogues.

everything else i agree with
idk how u reach that much frw/life combo, those 5frw's must really help. imo 200+ is not needed, but mayb i shuld test it out. - heres a good frw guide if you don't already have it - http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Faster%5FRun%5FWalk


im putting ur guide in my profile too btw :)

This post was edited by Arelax on Dec 6 2010 04:24pm
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