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i can get 6666 hp on my barb, adore

Yedut omg

i somewhere had an old screeny from one of my first bvcs, with 6666 life and 777 mana

BEAT DAT!!!



dont can beat that?

aer we can tell me what rings you be using on ur bvc?

This post was edited by darkkobra on Jul 26 2010 08:59am

^^

I like it.

dracs are pointless here. When you throw, it overrides the amp (very bad!), and the open wounds, well hell, does that *really* help vs paladins? :S
imo, just slap on clegs against those smiters, keep on your normal boots or even sub in gores, and use angelics + dungos so you have 50% dr. Remember, your coa won't be ber/ber- you need a 15% ias jewel in there to hit the BP


open wounds is great but id take 20% fcr over 25% open wounds even vs paladins- its just not that useful really. Not worth the 2x2 slot in your stash at all imo. Against ES sorcs and smiters, clegs > all
no rly, clegs > all. Both KB & slow are essential vs smiters, and kb is incredibly nice against ES sorcs, and kb/slow would be handy if anyone on the planet actually had a decent F/R druid (but those don't exist so hey)

my fcr rings you mean? they are just some 100ish ar 80+ mana ones, one of them has cool ~20 lr too



noo its not pointless at all
iirc that amp has VERY short duration anyway (like 10sec or so), not that great imo, and you shouldnt be throwing much after it procs anyway, no? and meh I really think these throwing weapons are quite useless, its much better to get strbug from your switch

open wounds not useful? its like 500 extra damage lol, of course its useful, very useful
and dracs are very good against sorcs and I like them a lot against mb necs too, goes throu armor

gores are your normal boots

in all honesty if you have strbug on your bvc you do not need kb atall against smiters. also slow can be countered, clegs are good for making them use pb thou but most use pb anyway
I'd say ow>kb against sorcs but well might be nice idea to try too

This post was edited by tudey on Jul 26 2010 12:15pm

True, you can give up fcr for other mods and the trade-off isn't always negative. With this Brawler you can mix and match a lot of items and still do well.

I wouldn't use Dracs though, as Life Tap will override Amp (nn). If you want it for OW purposes Lacerators offers 33% OW each and an OW belt can give you 10 more, but I wouldn't really rely on Lacerators for OW- Beast offers 25%, so there is no reason to worry about it.
I would use Dracs if I didn't want to throw or didn't care losing FCR through Trang-Ouls.

Hsarus combo isn't amazing, yeah, but it's one of the few combo items that give a giant AR boost while still allowing you to wear Highlords amulet, which is what this build revolves around
Like, you can load up on AR or just use Angelics over Hsarus, but I found Hsarus and Highlords to be a much more damaging combination than Angelics.



Thank you





Well I don't want to reiterate what I just said, so read what I wrote again and then read what I write now

Dracs can be useful for setups where you only WW, as there will be matches where you don't want to throw due to giving your opponent recasting time, for example, or if you're facing an extremely offensive opponent who constantly and consistly namelock stomps you. For example; if a telesmiter (a good one) is consistantly teleport smiting you while you whirl away, I would strongly advise NOT stopping to throw Lacerators. In setups where you would like to throw but still want Open Wounds, I would use an OW belt instead of Dracs. You just have to be aware that one will override the other.

Now Open Wounds is needed and very nice, because as Tudey points out it does some nice damage over a short duration and in conjunction with small, tight Whirlwind attacks it can be devasting.

Yes, Amp has a decently low "action time" (I guess you could call it that?), but it does in effect allow you to do double damage once landed.
Think of throw as not some weak seconday attack, but as an opportunity to end a duel. Granted, using it at the wrong time could end it for you, but once an opponent is Amped and you're attacking them I can garuntee they'll play a lot more defensive if they live

Personally, I never liked knockback too much, but you (Goomshill) provide a valid arguement for its use. It's definatly a playstyle item though, and some people may not like how it works whereas some people may love it.

@ Goomshill -- What breakpoint are you talking about, Double Throw? The IAS that affects Whirlwind is based solely on the weapons, according to Arreat Summit

Let me know if I missed something otherwise

meh, the chance to override amp is quite small. lacerator only helps when throwing. ow belt, meh, rather get 25 ow from dracs and use arach than 10 from ow belt and use trangs. also you can use dracs against sins but you cant use ow belt as you need tg

I got 15k ar with ravens and no hsarus, its enough against hammers imo and against smiters you generally want angelics and also either tg or dungo, and obviously its good to keep the bonuses of gore, I dont think losing gores is THAT much better than losing hl (except maybe on this build as it has ias, but in all honesty I think normal bvc is much better than this >_>)


once again I think throwing is not worth it
again rather have 25 ow than 10 ow


if I would get amped I'd just tele off map and whore for 10 secs till it runs out lol. barb cant really force hits in that short time against most opponents if they really want to get away from you

This post was edited by tudey on Jul 26 2010 01:21pm