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cube in inv for prebo? Not needed and nothing but a waste of time, if you are ANY good with barbs. - so less life is first suggestion, lots less life too to be exact.

gulli is not worth the inventory space? Gulli should be the main helmet if you dont need the DR from coa or the 25fcr from griffon(or 30 from 08valk) or even the dex from arre to have maxblock. - lets lose the damage a bit too here mkay.. gulli removes 20% ar so lets hit a bit less too why don't we?

maras? So you retard really are trying to tell me that you would take 1 skill and 30 res over 35% ds? "ok" :rofl: Suggesting metalgrid for bvas is already retarded, but suggesting maras for a bva is beyond all stupidity limits LOL There is NO AMULET - 35% ds vs 20 stats and 30@ on a barb that ISN'T bvc, it's bva that was asked for. WHERE did I suggest metalgrid?

kiras? Nothing but waste of space. If you need resistances, get some 20/11s. - WHERE did I suggest kira's? I wrote it's a waste of space so obviously we agree on that.

40/9 ss? < eld in ss - so lets lose a bit more damage and attack rating while we're at it, because you think that cube inventory bo stash is so bad even tho it'll add way more life than the 4 20 life scs ever could without breaking any legit rules I've seen so far. guess life isn't that important, just like the damage isn't so important either.

str/dex on a bvc ring? Not needed. Mana/life/res/ar is all you will EVER need on a bvc/bva ring. - you do realize str + dex + mana + allres + fcr is a possibility? and that this ring will be used mainly vs low defence chars so your attack rating isn't that important in this setup?

remaning skills into leap? Leap =max on a bva. ALWAYS! - Like I said, ANY char with the equivalent of 105% fcr for sorc can and should avoid your leap + namelock ww's. Reconsider your tactics, this is oldschool and most good sorcs are now pretty good at avoiding this because your 63 fcr setup + ww shift still doesn't make it faster than they will if they focus on double-tele jus a little bit to the side to get in 5-6 clean hits on you if fbsorcs while you look like a has-been. you can use leap vs other chars than sorc, agreed, but then you WILL lose huge defence adds from either not going with shout (which team benefits from) or iron skin (which if you would like to know adds defence to your BASE which means shout adds to this aswell)

Not to forget that you suggest mixing angelics with other rings LOLOL - Angelic ring + angelic amu + raven still gives some ar bonus, did you think you HAD to have both angelic rings present to get that?

35k attack rating? I guess its a must in your book, if you want to hit that pesky 1-2k def necros and sorcs :rofl: And since you claim that that 35k ar will make up for missing dmg boost from HL, what are going to do if you have to take angelics off? - If you see I never suggested dual angelics vs sorcs. vs necro's I was actually kinda tired of typing so just made a quick copy paste of the last I wrote and went with it, but you won't need that much ar vs necro's and if you can keep 50 dr on you don't have to go with block either, I just found that high defence vs clay golems tends to work as you won't get slowed then.

How do you want to take down hammerdins or necros while you use maras???????????? inb4 "i shoot them down with widow, cuz gz dmg with enchant and gz ar" LOOOOOOL - Did it look like I promoted widow in my original posts? Answer: NO. Did I write a good way to take down hdins? nop I didn't do that either! omg such a wasted comment!!! and my gz enchant dmg and gz ar was added as a bit bm in public duels "OMG I MUST COMMENT THIS!"

To see you claiming you have always 60% ow leads to only one possible conclusion - you have no idea that mods are calculated separately for each weapon on a dual wielding barb. But nice that you tried to act big with your "did you even know that ww frame is fixed to weapons ias and that highlords ias only adds when you zerk/conc?" NO SHIT SHERLOCK?? :thumbsup: Ever heard about items with "slows target by xx%"? No? THought so, clueless clown lol. - mods on open wounds are actually calculated and based entirely on your characters level. further no I didn't say always 60% ow, but you will always have SOME ow, and once that hits it WILL do its job if you don't hit again, which will stop the old one and start a new one. Also, items that slows targets with xx% is usually considered bad manners, and your MAIN strike will be whirlwind which DOESNT get the ias add from highlords even if you ARE slowed. and if you ARE slowed and use beast as main weapon vs such BM players then it won't affect your ww speed after all will it? another useless comment which had nothing to do with my gear yet again!

Btw, have you ever heard about hitchecks? Do you have ANY idea about the ww mechanics? I am fucking sure that you have NO clue about such things, since you recommend using shield vs necros, javas or windies HAHAHA - I learned ww'ing when ppl were still talking shieldside or swordside and stuff like this actually counted to bvb'ers (which was my favourite char back then). ww mechanics, don't talk like I'm a kid ffs. back and forth, tri-whirls and whirls away from smiter, flanking on smiters from weaponside etc, tried it all, triwhirl isn't supposed to always hit, it's supposed to show "heh heh I beat ur range, come and get me" and when they DO fall for the trap just ww away from target and use the range to your advantage. but I didn't explain all this in the 1 line I wrote about it so guess you had to point it out. my bad.

next line I won't comment, it's too obvious I meant that for after the ow kicking in, you just didn't understand it.

next line after that too I already commented, even once more above.


angelic + wisp + angelic amu vs hybsin, because the wisp should remove the traps being a risk, and the angelic will ensure you full hits in a back and forth ww'ing situation. if you wanna go for highlords + raven sure, but I've never needed it so figured it a waste of time to switch. there really aren't many half-decent (or better) shapeshifters out there, so why bother to change.. keep ar up and just kill it regardless, ofcourse rabies shapeshifters could be nice to stack up some psn res against, but then again I wouldn't wanna lose attack rating + damage for your 20/11 scs if I had a choice because after 2-3 good ww's the shapeshifter ought to be dead anyways and you won't need much fcr for a namlock tele to catch up.. can always conc there too so they can't hit you at all with fury when you do catch up.

vs windies your shield does block hurricane's physical damage, and blocks pets if he has em and has damage reduced which helps diminish the nado dmg atleast some.








now to my comments about your suggestions so far.

08 valkyrie: nonladder only, I know the topic creator is in ladder so totally wasted comment.

Griffons, nice for pure bvc, for the bva setup I have however it isn't needed. never had any problems with the dual hoto + 30/40 fcr from gloves + ring or arach or arach + ring + dracs to consider needing it even. and I wouldn't want to switch arreats to this. 40 stats 20% ar 1 more skill 2 more combatskills and 30@ is just too much to lose for a fcr frame more with main weapons.. if you play a chicken pvp'er use 105 fcr frame to get close enough for a namelock tele, then switch and be ready to ww as the namelock is aquired. so really its just getting used to it, doesn't slow you down noticeably, and you WILL have more damage this way for the coming hit.

seriously, consider moving away from definition of bva. so far all I have seen are bvc suggestions.

to the person commenting 10-20 cold dmg 20 life sc, it isn't on any list of banned items I've seen. and a raven does pretty much the same and is allowed so don't see a reason why it would be considered bm.
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Apr 28 2010 10:01pm
Quote (MrHero @ Apr 28 2010 10:32pm)
cube in inv for prebo? Not needed and nothing but a waste of time, if you are ANY good with barbs. - so less life is first suggestion, lots less life too to be exact.


That extra couple hundred life won't save you if you suck in the first place..

Quote (MrHero @ Apr 28 2010 10:32pm)
maras? So you retard really are trying to tell me that you would take 1 skill and 30 res over 35% ds? "ok" :rofl: Suggesting metalgrid for bvas is already retarded, but suggesting maras for a bva is beyond all stupidity limits LOL There is NO AMULET - 35% ds vs 20 stats and 30@ on a barb that ISN'T bvc, it's bva that was asked for. WHERE did I suggest metalgrid?


even if it is a BvA.. using maras is simply retarded.. angelics against barbs and highlords against everything else..

Quote (MrHero @ Apr 28 2010 10:32pm)
40/9 ss? < eld in ss - so lets lose a bit more damage and attack rating while we're at it, because you think that cube inventory bo stash is so bad even tho it'll add way more life than the 4 20 life scs ever could without breaking any legit rules I've seen so far. guess life isn't that important, just like the damage isn't so important either.


40/9 jewel gives attack rating too? didn't know that........

Quote (MrHero @ Apr 28 2010 10:32pm)
str/dex on a bvc ring? Not needed. Mana/life/res/ar is all you will EVER need on a bvc/bva ring. - you do realize str + dex + mana + allres + fcr is a possibility? and that this ring will be used mainly vs low defence chars so your attack rating isn't that important in this setup?


You cannot have +life on a fcr ring if you have str and dex.. And why would you need str on your fcr ring?! What item are you switching out that gave you +str that you need to compensate by having str on your ring?! Clueless, completely..

Quote (MrHero @ Apr 28 2010 10:32pm)
remaning skills into leap? Leap =max on a bva. ALWAYS! - Like I said, ANY char with the equivalent of 105% fcr for sorc can and should avoid your leap + namelock ww's. Reconsider your tactics, this is oldschool and most good sorcs are now pretty good at avoiding this because your 63 fcr setup + ww shift still doesn't make it faster than they will if they focus on double-tele jus a little bit to the side to get in 5-6 clean hits on you if fbsorcs while you look like a has-been. you can use leap vs other chars than sorc, agreed, but then you WILL lose huge defence adds from either not going with shout (which team benefits from) or iron skin (which if you would like to know adds defence to your BASE which means shout adds to this aswell)


Exactly.. Most sorcs are good at avoiding your namelocks.. so pretty much, the only way of ensuring that you DO get the namelock is by leaping.. that one second of knockback gives you the time to get a namelock.. Again, -1 to you.. How else do you plan to catch sorcs? Tele with your dual hotos and hope you land on them?

Quote (MrHero @ Apr 28 2010 10:32pm)
35k attack rating? I guess its a must in your book, if you want to hit that pesky 1-2k def necros and sorcs :rofl: And since you claim that that 35k ar will make up for missing dmg boost from HL, what are going to do if you have to take angelics off?  - If you see I never suggested dual angelics vs sorcs. vs necro's I was actually kinda tired of typing so just made a quick copy paste of the last I wrote and went with it, but you won't need that much ar vs necro's and if you can keep 50 dr on you don't have to go with block either, I just found that high defence vs clay golems tends to work as you won't get slowed then.


oh, DR works against bone spirits and spears these days?? or are you actually counting the golem's damage :rofl:

Quote (MrHero @ Apr 28 2010 10:32pm)
angelic + wisp + angelic amu vs hybsin, because the wisp should remove the traps being a risk, and the angelic will ensure you full hits in a back and forth ww'ing situation.


You need angelics against an ASSASSIN?!?! Do you have any idea what the defense rating of an average hybrid sin is?!

stop making a fool of yourself..
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Apr 28 2010 10:33pm
Quote (MrHero @ 28 Apr 2010 11:37)
451 psn sc
10-20 colddmg 20 life sc
cube in inventory with bo items (6 bo helm, 2 x bk, 3 wc amu and arach kept in cube in inventory at all times for fast bo'ing, and because it circumvents most legit pvp rules as to being allowed precast items because it takes up inventory space).
Helms: Arreats 200/6 with 40/9 (ed/dex) jewel or rare 30% ed 9 dex 9 str -15 req jewel (this ought to be upped) + Coa 30/15/2 'ber+ber'. I do not think guillaumes or kira's is worth the inventory space.
Amu's: Mara 30@ + Highlords + Angelic amu + 3 wc amu.
Main Weapons: Grief 15/3 ba 34+ ias 400 dmg + Beast 15 ed 3 ar 40 str etc. Widowmaker 200/5 um'ed
Switch Weapons: 2 x 40@ hoto 15 ed 3 ar scourges. (Will be explained).
Shield: Storm with 40 ed 9 dex or rare jewel
Belts: Dungo 40/13/15 + TGV 200% ed + arach (as mentioned above). also a 24 fhr 10 ow str life res belt is gosu.
Rings: 2 x 250/20 raven, 2 x bk (as mentioned above for bo), 1 x dwarf, 1 x wisp, 1 x 10 fcr 110+ ar 20 str 15 dex 80+ mana. + 2 x angelic rings
Boots: Gore's 200% + Gosu triresboots like you have already.


Here is all the things that fail in that one post.

For reasons, you get this:
1. Poison charm for hit checks is for tards.
2. Lol @ Cold dmg?
3. Bo cube is a waste of time.
4. Maxed Stats on an Arreat's are meaningless, you're not a BvB, you don't have the multipliers to make the difference count. Also, lol @ No guillaumes. Not to mention that again, perfect stats is a waste of time.
5. Lol @ Mara
6. Lol @ perfect stats on weapons. The only two tidbits you need to know is Grief at 34 or more IAS and Beast at 36 or more STR. Also, again, lol @ perfect Widowmaker, you only use that thing to proc OW or LT.
7. Lol @ Hotos for bo-weapons. Hotos are a waste of time.
8. Lol @ ed/dex in Storm. You should know that on a BvA, an Eld can save 15-19 dex, which turns into huge life. Barbarians are not known for their high damage, so boosting it with miniscule things like 40% ED is pointless.
9. Perfect stats on Dungo is pointless. Also, maining Dungo means that you're left with 0-20% FCR, which means that you're an easy picking for most casters. Also lol @ FHR in OW belt and perf stats on TGod's
10. Lol @ str/dex on rings, lol @ perfect stats on RFs
11. Lol @ perf Gores

So basically what you have done is list a crappy BvA with a bunch of over-the-top expensive and meaningless perfect items. If you knew anything about anything, you'd know that the actual defense boosts are quite meaningless since you're lacking in Shout and Iron Skin to begin with. And besides, the three best sources for easy defense are Enigma, Stormshield and CoA.

What a pathetic excuse of a troll. Also, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to learn to express yourself in fewer words. I'm sure as hell not going to bother reading a reply that is three or four times the size of this post just because it would be a waste of my time. And yes, I just said that you trying to prove your "extremely high shoesize IQ" by making an overly long post would be a waste of MY time. You know, in school, they actually take points away if your essays are too long. That should be a hint.

And Shakkobra, you've just failed at a proper forum response. And here I was hoping I wouldn't need to make too many of these posts. It gets tiresome to disprove these idiots, as it always ends up in either asking for duels, which I don't do, or claiming that I'm wrong based on join date, post count, fg or the realm I play on.

This post was edited by olba on Apr 28 2010 10:38pm
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Quote (MrHero @ 29 Apr 2010 03:32)
Big wall of text


I actually took the time to read all that
Conclusion: You're retarded!
I was never top/godly with a Bva/Bvc, but at least now after reading your posts. I know for sure that I wasn't the worst lol!
I don't know if you're trolling, or just being ignorant, but you should really listen to Darkkobra, he knows what he's talking about.
Awhhhh I hate having to actually post stuff on Jsp! I prefer to just read n' laugh, somethings just need to be said :angry:

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Apr 29 2010 03:47am
just get all perfekt items and you are pro.

bvc amu>hl
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Quote (darkkobra @ 28 Apr 2010 13:46)
oh lol, MrHEro is so clueless about bva :rofl:

cube in inv for prebo?
gulli is not worth the inventory space?
maras?
kiras?
40/9 ss?
str/dex on a bvc ring?
remaning skills into leap?
There are more fails about the gear, however LOL

But this(!) made my day:



vs fire sorc: you have 30 fcr (rofl), are using maras (LOOLOLOL) and 3 res boots? and, "switch to hotos and chase sorc with 105 fcr"?? AHHAHAHA
30 fcr is not the BP you tool! and switching to boslot to chase casters is pretty much the MOST RETARDED thing you could ever do ahhahah

vs cold sorcs: "stack res from gloves"?? You really think that 30cr from TO gloves will count as "stack"? :rofl:

vs barbs: dual wield? LOL

vs smiters: "counterclockwise triangle ww'ing"... oh wow haha hf triwhirling a smiter LOL
vs eledruids: shield? 0 fcr?


Honestly, have you EVER tried to play a barb before? I hardly doubt it, after this bullshit you wrote above lol

oh lol, i nearly forgot the best part here:


vs javas: shield???? and abs is your only answer/only tactic? lol

shield vs boners???????????????? HAHAHA!!!HAH"!
angelics vs hybridsins??? LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
angelics vs shapeshitters?????????? :rofl:


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Quote (darkkobra @ 28 Apr 2010 13:46)
oh lol, MrHEro is so clueless about bva :rofl:

cube in inv for prebo?
gulli is not worth the inventory space?
maras?
kiras?
40/9 ss?
str/dex on a bvc ring?
remaning skills into leap?
There are more fails about the gear, however LOL

But this(!) made my day:



vs fire sorc: you have 30 fcr (rofl), are using maras (LOOLOLOL) and 3 res boots? and, "switch to hotos and chase sorc with 105 fcr"?? AHHAHAHA
30 fcr is not the BP you tool! and switching to boslot to chase casters is pretty much the MOST RETARDED thing you could ever do ahhahah

vs cold sorcs: "stack res from gloves"?? You really think that 30cr from TO gloves will count as "stack"? :rofl:

vs barbs: dual wield? LOL

vs smiters: "counterclockwise triangle ww'ing"... oh wow haha hf triwhirling a smiter LOL
vs eledruids: shield? 0 fcr?


Honestly, have you EVER tried to play a barb before? I hardly doubt it, after this bullshit you wrote above lol

oh lol, i nearly forgot the best part here:


vs javas: shield???? and abs is your only answer/only tactic? lol

shield vs boners???????????????? HAHAHA!!!HAH"!
angelics vs hybridsins??? LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
angelics vs shapeshitters?????????? :rofl:


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