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Sep 22 2009 10:18am
Quote (ashwinthegrim @ Tue, 22 Sep 2009, 17:03)
enough dex for max block with vortex = lower vita = failed smiter..


If your smiter has level 33 holy shield, and level 94, its not huge difference in dex...
ST would need 161dex, and vortex 176.

If you dont get enough dex from gear, 15dex=45life
After level 16 bo + eni it would mean 83hp.

IF you need to stat the dex, it would be ~3k def against 80hp. If 3k reduces chance to get hit by 5%, i would go for vortex... (since chance to hit is already low, 5% less is even more effiency. 25% chance to get hit vs 20% chance to get hit = 25% less hits!)
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Quote (hue_two @ Tue, Sep 22 2009, 12:07pm)
thats what we are comparing.. the life gain from st vs the def boost from vortex

yes its 51% vs 60% base but we would have 75% on both in this sitaution


if that were the case

dex loss = 60-51 = 9% ~ 20 dex
str loss = 132 - 86 = 46 str

total = 66 stats = 198 life unbo'd ~~ 400 life when bo'd..
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Quote (ashwinthegrim @ Tue, 22 Sep 2009, 17:20)
if that were the case

dex loss = 60-51 = 9% ~ 20 dex
str loss = 132 - 86 = 46 str

total = 66 stats = 198 life unbo'd ~~ 400 life when bo'd..


Since what smiters has only 86 str..?
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Sep 22 2009 10:23am
Quote (Dorieus @ Tue, Sep 22 2009, 12:22pm)
Since what smiters has only 86 str..?


the comparison was plainly between a vortex shields defense boost and a sacred targe's life boost.. rest of the things not taken into account.. i thought that was what hue_two was comparing..
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Sep 22 2009 10:24am
Quote (ashwinthegrim @ Tue, Sep 22 2009, 12:20pm)
if that were the case

dex loss = 60-51 = 9% ~ 20 dex
str loss = 132 - 86 = 46 str

total = 66 stats = 198 life unbo'd ~~ 400 life when bo'd..


What kind of fail noob ass smiter has only 86 str?

Quote (ashwinthegrim @ Tue, Sep 22 2009, 12:23pm)
the comparison was plainly between a vortex shields defense boost and a sacred targe's life boost.. rest of the things not taken into account.. i thought that was what hue_two was comparing..


You can't just ignore the fact that smiters have way more str...

This post was edited by the_nub on Sep 22 2009 10:25am
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Quote (the_nub @ Tue, Sep 22 2009, 12:24pm)
What kind of fail noob ass smiter has only 86 str?


Quote (ashwinthegrim @ Tue, Sep 22 2009, 12:23pm)
the comparison was plainly between a vortex shields defense boost and a sacred targe's life boost.. rest of the things not taken into account.. i thought that was what hue_two was comparing..


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Quote (ashwinthegrim @ Tue, 22 Sep 2009, 17:23)
the comparison was plainly between a vortex shields defense boost and a sacred targe's life boost.. rest of the things not taken into account.. i thought that was what hue_two was comparing..


Using ST over vortex won't add your smiters life by 400... I hope your math and logic don't suck this bad...

This post was edited by Dorieus on Sep 22 2009 10:28am
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Quote (ashwinthegrim @ Tue, Sep 22 2009, 04:20pm)
if that were the case

dex loss = 60-51 = 9% ~ 20 dex
str loss = 132 - 86 = 46 str

total = 66 stats = 198 life unbo'd ~~ 400 life when bo'd..


you save about 15 dex meaning 15 extra points in vita = 45 life.

Bo'd wil be around 80 life.
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Quote (ashwinthegrim @ Tue, Sep 22 2009, 12:25pm)
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By that logic when deciding what to use on my BvB using non-upped gores add 400 life even though no BvB worth a damn has anywhere near less than the str req of upped gores?

Quote (Dorieus @ Tue, Sep 22 2009, 12:27pm)
Using ST over vortex won't add your smiters life by 400... I hope your math and logic don't suck this bad...


Vouch.
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Quote (hue_two @ Tue, 22 Sep 2009, 17:27)
you save about 15 dex meaning 15 extra points in vita = 45 life.

Bo'd wil be around 80 life.


Read this again so you wont repeat what have been said before :P

Quote (Dorieus @ Tue, 22 Sep 2009, 17:18)
If your smiter has level 33 holy shield, and level 94, its not huge difference in dex...
ST would need 161dex, and vortex 176.

If you dont get enough dex from gear, 15dex=45life
After level 16 bo + eni it would mean 83hp.

IF you need to stat the dex, it would be ~3k def against 80hp. If 3k reduces chance to get hit by 5%, i would go for vortex... (since chance to hit is already low, 5% less is even more effiency. 25% chance to get hit vs 20% chance to get hit =  25% less hits!)


This post was edited by Dorieus on Sep 22 2009 10:28am
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