Ah good idea, thanks

Interesting test results i always wondered if 1 mb vs 20 had a substantial difference. I mean although these tests were not in a pvp enviroment you can still work out a rough estimate that max mb would get used more than 1 point. Also how about testing say numbers like 10-15 mb etc to see how numbers differ etc?

i think it would be more beneficial to test 1 vs 2. since that is a debate. most people dont put 10-15 in there. But i guess its worth a shot?

I can test level 2 (since this has a lot of controversy about the subject) and level 10 mindblast, but I want to do it later lol not now.

If there's not a significant increase between level 1 and 2 then I think that's all the proof we'll need to know that it's formulaic and not done by "whichever skill is highest gets spammed 100x more"

the only reason i stated this was maybe to go for rest of the points in fb skill? Might give some reason to put some skills in rest in fb if the difference is not huge.. i.e 10-15 vs 20 points.



thats a good idea this is like build style in tienjes guide using 2 points mb + rest fb

This post was edited by halo273 on Sep 3 2009 08:23am

well i think its significantly more which is important ^^

dercanegel (XDDDDD) did some tests a while ago (when the spidersin threads were recent, i guess you could find the results in any of those threads) and i think the conclusion was that from lvl1 to lvl2 wasnt not too much of a difference, which was also my experience from just dueling without any counting or anything.

there was a bigger difference between say lvl15 and lvl1 mb but not huge, and the gap from lvl15 to MAX was very significant. this, together with normal "pvp experience" by various sin players like wizadept, tienje, harryhaller [...] and me [diii.net sin crew yah] lead to the conclusion that usually either lvl1 or lvl20 makes most sense. although there is no real problem skilling 1 more into mindblast if you still like it but i doubt it changes a lot. i used lvl2 mb on my hybrid sin over years and didnt notice any practical difference compared to level 1.
basically on low levels you cannot rely on your sm to blast a lot so you have to grab the lock anyways and cannot use it as a more or less constant tactical pattern, nor does it annoy your opponent all too much while you chase compared to max mb.

Alright so I guess the conclusion is that a ghost sin is the best sin build to use a against a bone necro (vita or block). After reading all the posts I think I have a general game plan now. I should try to chase the necro down until I can get a nl with mb and then switch over to tele. Once I'm on top I should reestablish my nl with dclaw (which I should have on left click) and occasionally cl if the necro manages to escape. If I can manage to fit in traps then I should to help secure a lock down making it even harder to escape my dclaw cl's. I should always have sm up since they will constantly mb making it easier to get my own nl and they will tank a lot of spirits once I can finally get on top. Whenever my sm dies I should try to resummon as soon as possible. I should also use bos over fade for the ias which allows me to retain max trap laying and dclaw speed even after hitting clay golem, also the frw will help me outrun spirits/spears.

Am I correct so far?

Thanks for doing this test. Could you go into more details on the specifics? The remaining skill distribution was the same? Was the map the same (and the # of surrounding monsters)? Were you teleporting in place to keep the master from doing melee? Did you use a new shadow master for each trial?

I got the impression that the most common theory was that chance to cast was based on the ranking of skills, from skills with most points to skill of least points, and only the rank mattered, not the actual skill level. This is why some people would stat 2 points into mindblast instead of 1. That theory seems to be false. It appears that there are either breakpoints (which would be very useful to know), or the AIbonus is multiplied by your base skill level, or the shadows skill level.

edit: one thing that I think may play a factor is the # of hard points that are spent into dragon flight, as that is one of mindblast's main competitors for ranged attacking.

This post was edited by KillersDream on Sep 3 2009 04:23pm

my melee assa is best vs necs

tanks mb necs w/o sm or any stun gg