already dueled jared on your hybrid build.

dont like it

i have to disagree on the term that df is useless
i played the last days using df as leftclick and its wonderfull
its the bomb vs nec, soso, ama, trapper, and paly in the right moment
the animation is slow when u cast it but when u land on ur opponents you are pretty fast in the ww animation and its rly great fun to use
dc i dont like afterall

i totally agree with Azn that it has priority as mod after ls

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also i disagree on the mb swap beeing of any use against bowas
and vs godly barbs it also wont save ur ass no matter how much of a chicken runaway style u play

This post was edited by MoXeR on Nov 29 2011 02:44am

nvm

This post was edited by MoXeR on Nov 29 2011 03:08am

yes maxblock doesnt have any use against bowason hybsin , c/c is totally superior, nbdy said that i think though

on the other hand mb is superior to c/c against barbs, the better the barb, the more superior it is, you have to play as a pure trapper here anywaus, 102fcr 48fhr more dr more block more life more trap dmg more.... 75%block when walking with mass frw from bos/eni/dancers, etc
try wsg/run from a barb on c/c setup if he gets to triwirl you, you have 0block and you just die instantaneously, else try to ww vs ww and youll die as well ~~
i duelled your sin on barb the other day btw..

and chicken, its not chicken, just play as a pure maxblock trapper with a strong dtalon to avoid wsg instead of shadowmaster spaming more mindblast. Bugbelt allows this at base dex. Mass teleporting in circles, mass mb, 1 wof 4ls, and go. you can perfectly kill babas without you going offscreen a single time, you just need to be FAST and unpredictable, just like a classic trapper, is trapper a gay class? so then it is nek, soso, bowa, etc except for they need to go offscreen, you dont cuz you interrupt their teles an can keep them under control unless they tmc

Assa just cant tank a barb, thats the only thing that is true.
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Dflight might be only usefull against random casters on pubs, else its an almost useless skill.... imo

This post was edited by reyrol on Nov 29 2011 06:53am

nice guide

This post was edited by saharC on Nov 29 2011 07:23am

well i pmed a m8 of mine to duel you with his baba

that are hoto + ss + circ + ammy + ring = 18 stash slots
awefull if you ask me for what it actually serves you

i find widow beeing superiour cause it ignors the def and it could force the baba to use a shield which cuts his hitchecks in half
also it only requiers 6 slots and you have 2 sorces of dmg and you could still travel with 102 on the bo slot
costs you some dr and block though (28 dr total with bb and bos)

that bowa thing has already been a while since it got posted

df is awesome

This post was edited by MoXeR on Nov 29 2011 07:51am

well in my case its actually hoto and ss only, since circ amy ring are already there for other setups anyway, but its 12slots yes. mb serves for teampk also, i already said thats what made me decide to get the mb setup, not only barbs but also tvt.

Razor for example plays at 102fcr c/c vs barb, but becos he doesnt want to use 12slots for this, but mb sin would tank double hits at the very least: 15-17%more block, which is around ~27% increase in effective block = 64% more effective life, plus max dr etc

What is more important, i dont think people realise about this. How do you scape a barb when he has got to jump onto you? the safest way is walking at 75%block with ~140 frw, by FAR.

Still dont know where the discussion is since when taling about trappers mb >>>> cc vs barbs, i think nobody would discuss this, and with hybsin you are playing as a pure trapper.

The reason you would like to do this is becos you want your hybsin to havethe less weaknesses as possible, and barb + good maxblock necro are the top priority. Thats why i found that 102fcr mb & 102 c/c are the top choice for those 2 matchups, and they make a HUGE difference over 65%fcr c/c. Against the rest you can just do well without any uber specific setup, you can have visio or not, 300 coldres switch or not, bos against trappers or not.... (i do^^)

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so you are saying widow + cta/spirit on switch to kill barbs? zero block and low/none dr? 1mistake = dead. You wanna kill a decent bva with 75%block 7500life 85litres 50%dr 75psn res with a widowmaker? either your are super-uber-mega-skilled or you gonna fail hardly and die within the first minute of duel imo.

This post was edited by reyrol on Nov 29 2011 08:34am

you haven't done any real dueling using my wraith build but that didn't stop you there. bro.

e/ that was an experiment too btw.

This post was edited by Decarnate on Nov 29 2011 09:10am

ur traps have like 7xxx dmg which is so low that you have to play this duel for like 10 mins to beat ur opponent so ur force to sit and w8 cause ur going to run ou of pots fast if you spam the field to much

ur facing a baba that is going to sniper you slightly offscreenusing using tg + coa

he is jumping and you step aside and watch him either miss you and changing his direction or he will hit and or 30-50% off
if he misses it gives you enough time to set some more traps and rechange ur positon to continoue or ur going to switch the area of the duel to rebuild ur web or dance arround him and pray he wont synch into you
repeat that 30 times and you have won...

so ur forced to hide and run while at the same time trying to keep ur potcount up
hide and run and having a attack that has hardly any impact...

the problem is that ur not applying any preasure under this conditions because you have no serious dmg sorce
ur opponent will very soon realize that and start playing more agressive and once he does your fucked because then you need to burn way to much mana for tele and you wont be able to even apply this slight preasure that you used to have
thats like playing a lvl 49 trapper vs a lvl 99 baba

it can happen that you win this
but then its not cause ur super awesome but because ur opponent played terrible
assuming ur both at the same experiance lvl i dont know how you are ever be possibly able to win this using mb setup

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now if i have the bow i can use gore along with it and a um in the bow
so i have 10% ow + 25% ow and 15% cb which all have a big impact on the lifecount of a baba along with the venom which is also lil...
anyways when u stand in ur web and shot 1 arrow when you feel save and then go to a save position and then shot another arrow then you did apply presure.

Weren't you the one bitching about how I should update my guide and shit? now you're giving me this crap.



DF is nice if you know HOW to use it right... but most people are stupid/unskilled enough and dont see its uses. I use it mainly vs sorcs/necs. This debate is similar to the one that says sins > all... but a noob dueler wouldnt ever understand that until they see it in person because they have "hdong #1" programmed so far up in their heads they need someone to prove it to believe it.

As for max block vs barb... I never lost a single duel vs barb on my hybrid with c/c.... The reasoning for this is because I duel them just like a trapper but I have a hard as hitting whirlwind to back it up as well.... It is agreed that w/s trapper will beat barb for sure. but that requires WAY too much switching and its perfectly doable with c/c

This goes for USEAST, and D2PK, and ProjD barbs...

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Nov 29 2011 09:58am