His build doesn't have dracs at all.

In the guide yes, but I do remember him saying in post xxx to use it vs druids in some revolutionary setup he created

But I'm just interested as to how he OW's bva's to death without any OW%...

correct



wrong, the general setups in this guide do not suggest dracs
my own personal mules do have dracs and i do use them in important duels


and this



is very wrong and very silly

you guys base opinions on the shitty amas you've dueled

when a person is actually *good* on an amazon, it is not so easy to kill with a BvA


If all of the above gears are supplemented, a zon is a horrible pain in the ass for any barb to duel

Once again, I'll put this to the test

Find me a good BvA to duel, get ahold of Sirens w/e, someone else

and I'll use these new setups and show you that they do work

They work so well, that people usually complain about the use of dracs on an ama in Barb vs Zon

Keep in mind that Life Tap is OMFG HEAL with lightning fury

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Apr 12 2012 05:32pm

Bva may be a better choice over BvC in dealing with bowzons, that's usually GM battles. But a very good bowzon can still obliterate bva if the zon is godly. Zon is also one of the top choice no doubt.

Talking about bm is a whole different story. A barb with 2x doomz can screw any zon up. When this happen, it's a matter of who gets who first. Though Bowzon can still rule at range, the barb with superior tele'ing speed and a level 24 aura, zon has absolutely no chance legit or bm.

This post was edited by Jaxz on Apr 12 2012 05:54pm

This is 100% true about HF

If a good barb players uses BM DoomZ, zon has no chance
Same type of shit as Bone Prison + Great Nec player

this needs a bump and a

if u download eud2pk, there'll be alot of people that will be willing to do bet duels vs your zon ( maybe you wont have as good ping as u do on east, but it should still be playable for zon vs barb i'd imagine ? )

Also what is your exact setup with dracs.

With dracs you lose knockback and you lose 20 ias. How do you make up for the loss in ias?

And you do know OW damage is cut in half for ranged attacks right.. its like 250-300 damage over 8 seconds, this means its gonna take a looong time to kill a barb with mainly OW ^^

This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Apr 12 2012 07:44pm

:facepalm:

T-Gods or not, that light bolt deals a great more deal of solid damage than this debate is giving it credit for when you're throwing a 300-500 dmg stick (3k-5k on screen, nearly 2.2 - 3.9 after LB 3/4ths) remember there is still 72% crit with this damage
The OW is just a nice solid effect to help re-equalize the damage output to a solid physical Light Fury

The Drac's setup can either bring you down to 10fpa throwing (9fpa is max with mat javs) ****if you only have 20% ias on your javelins****
Or if one were to have 40%ias on the javelins, using dracul's would not effect the 9fpa at all, you'd still be throwing at max speed

You guys also need to realize that vs a good shield barb, using LB or LF, you go through a quantity of 40-60 sticks easily in a single round
so the Dracul's 5% life tap proc becomes a vital boon as well
5% means 1/20 hits will proc a life tap (this happens quickly while throwing LB which cannot be blocked)
After it procs, you start tossing physical fury for the heal
This immediately = win vs a barbarian

For those of you who have actually fought a good amazon in BvZ, you'd understand that the amazon is extremely difficult to kill with a barb to begin with (good zons)
When the bitch starts healing against you, then you'll see why dracul's as a single item is a power-counter vs barbarian in ZvB
Even if the barb tries to wear dracul's, he cannot proc it with ww, he has to use some shitty single strike skill which just does not work against amazons with 75% block and 55% dodge
Also considering barbs have low IAS, just enough for max WW bps




Also about ranged OW:
Use Jab on a ww pass, full melee OW effect

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Apr 13 2012 08:08am

Thanks for this information,really informative

Btw, who are the good zons you are talking about ? Have you seen any vids from zons on other realms that can be considered " good " in your eyes too ?

This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Apr 13 2012 08:17am