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#391
Jul 29 2009 07:50am
im abit sceptical about some of the east players i mean no offence but the v/t guide you posted up had no flexibility with main setup (i.e no fcr) and that was supposed to crush barbs so i do question the skills of some of the barbs out there u have faced...

Most of those setup that were posted would not last on Europe realms...

Again with this guide i though it was more of an item fest more than a guide, alot of the items mentioned cannot be found on normal realms which kinda ruins the point i.e gclaw amu, ring and fools claw (nice claw btw) The layout was good. I also dissagree with that conclusion too
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Jul 29 2009 08:16am
Quote (halo273 @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 09:50am)
im abit sceptical about some of the east players i mean no offence but the v/t guide you posted up had no flexibility with main setup (i.e no fcr)  and that was supposed to crush barbs so i do question the skills of some of the barbs out there u have faced...

Most of those setup that were posted would not last on Europe realms...

Again with this guide i though it was more of an item fest more than a guide, alot of the items mentioned cannot be found on normal realms which kinda ruins the point i.e gclaw amu, ring and fools claw (nice claw btw) The layout was good. I also dissagree with that conclusion too


1) vts > barbs on east. the rules on east = no more than 10% slow allowed, no doomz allowed , no tap allowed
2) i use spirit shield + coa + dungos + 2x 10fcr/15dex/40life fcr rings to duel barbs. 48fcr telesmite + 86fhr...i do fine. basically foh spam while teleing around them and they cant hurt me. if they stomp me, i shift smite
3) gear differences = different build. you guys have bbelt so that changes everything
4) i also suggested alternatives to ammy,claws,and the fools claw was only an "exmaple" of what to go for
5) ofc you would disagree. perhaps with your rule set barbs can do ok, but if u dueled anyone good on a sin: me, marvel, zeicheik, tienje, etc.... they would crush your "barb". d2pk is living proof that if everyone had perfect gear = sins > barbs (unless pure ghost)

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#393
Jul 29 2009 08:23am
Quote (KMxxXXxx @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 09:47am)
i wont waste my time to make a bvc on a game i dont play anymore just to teach a selfproclaiming fag like you


I love the hypocrisy.
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#394
Jul 29 2009 08:32am
Quote (KMxxXXxx @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 01:09pm)
a trap based hybrid is much better than yours as ow and venom already deliver enough ww dmg.


You can make a trap based hybrid and it will still do better with eth glitch claws or fools ed%/eth repair claw. physical damage still helps the build to be a lot more of a threat with it's ww. reducing a hybrid's whirlwind to just venom/ow% damage makes the whirl a lot less threatening, only benefit is +3 ls that glitch chaos does not have, given both claw options the higher physical damage claws work better in just about every matchup. If you really want to play pure trapper style for a particular matchup feel free to stash other claws and switch when you feel necessary, I think anyone who has used both types of claws for whirling agrees that physical damage is best not ignored.
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#395
Jul 29 2009 08:51am
Quote (Azn Masta @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 04:16pm)
1) vts > barbs on east. the rules on east = no more than 10% slow allowed, no doomz allowed , no tap allowed
2) i use spirit shield + coa + dungos + 2x 10fcr/15dex/40life fcr rings to duel barbs. 48fcr telesmite + 86fhr...i do fine. basically foh spam while teleing around them and they cant hurt me. if they stomp me, i shift smite
3) gear differences = different build. you guys have bbelt so that changes everything

y bug belt helps only vts in this duel since barb has to use tg (btw it makes palas way more powerfull than on other realms)
europe barbs dont use slow to beat smiters/vts especially zaka ones (its rather other way around)
ever heard about tele clipping ? Its no so hard as u think, wise barbs never namelock smiters and 13k-15k defense vt is pretty easy to hit (thats approximately your defense with spirit or zaka)
every good europe barb is going to outstack your conv while using anelic amu + rings and tg to make your foh worthless (add str bug if he cares enough to make wws desynch like fuck), you are not going to win unless you are going to tele smite him which is insanly hard without defense from exile (ww desynch is a bitch) hes going to win most of the time if he doesnt screw up wws

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Jul 29 2009 09:04am
Quote (Snapped @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 10:51am)
y bug belt helps only vts in this duel since barb has to use tg
europe barbs dont  use slow to beat smiters/vts  especially zaka ones (its rather other way around)
ever heard about  tele clipping  ? Its no so hard as u think, wise barbs never namelock smiters  and 13k-15k defense  vt is pretty easy to hit (thats approximately your defense with spirit or zaka)
every good europe barb is going to outstack your conv while using anelic amu + rings and tg to make your foh worthless (add  str bug if he cares enough to make wws desynch like fuck), you are not going to win unless you are going to tele smite him which is insanly hard without defense from exile (ww desynch is a bitch) hes going to win most of the time if he doesnt screw up wws


i'd like to see this happen then. cuz i dont lose to barbs on my vt. never have since i made him (and its been a hella long time)

altho im sure theres no way for you to prove it since you play eu and i play east/d2pk only... (unless you come to d2pk and duel me)

regardless. this is my sin guide. theres no need to continue posting stuff about vts here. i kindly ask you to remove yourself from my thread.

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Jul 29 2009 09:23am
Quote (Azn Masta @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 05:04pm)
i'd like to see this happen then. cuz i dont lose to barbs on my vt. never have since i made him (and its been a hella long time)

altho im sure theres no way for you to prove it since you play eu and i play east/d2pk only... (unless you come to d2pk and duel me)

regardless. this is my sin guide. theres no need to continue posting stuff about vts here. i kindly ask you to remove yourself from my thread.


actually there is european version of d2pk hosted in england (based on 2.4 versiion of mod)
considering how much ping affects barbs it would be right if u could make your vt here to prove your words

/edit pm'd, somehow amercans have alot better pings while playing here than europeans playing on US d2pk

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#398
Jul 29 2009 09:35am
Quote (Snapped @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 11:23am)
actually there is european version of d2pk hosted in england (based on 2.4 versiion of mod)
considering how much ping affects barbs it would be right if u could make your vt here to prove your words


hum. pm me on more details if you want. i need to know where to download and try this. and hopefully i wont be over 300 ping. otherwise i'll be delayed about 2-3 secs b4 every attack.

dont post in here anymore. pm me and u can give me this info.
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#399
Jul 29 2009 10:44am
Quote (Azn Masta @ Wed, 29 Jul 2009, 12:58)
no you are wrong. no your opinion is stupid. and no physical isnt "useless" on a wwsin.
let me remind you of your place here. you are a rand who took into the common assumption that sins are all poison. i held the #1 spot on assassins for: d2jsp, d2gm, d2pk, ezpk, and postabout ladders.
ps. guess what, you are wrong. look at my damage and how i got it

he probably doesnt play sins and goes around believe all the rumors that are thrown at him lol. hes probably one of those people who believe poison cancels out deadly strike and ondals doesnt work unless you are killing too lol
i mean come on now. look at my damage on the first page: 4300+ WW damage (~1700 venom, ~2600 physical)... and he says physical doesnt matter lol. clearly another greater talon using hybrid lol who does 3.2k ww damage and calls himself good


"Random with assassin" and "doesnt play sins".
I bet I have had alot more assassins than you have years behind in your life.. :~D

And I never said "physical doesn't matter", I just clearly stated that skills and faster claw would beat that up.
Or are YOU the random who uses BUGS to acquire top IAS for your traps ? Lmao.
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Jul 29 2009 10:47am
Quote (Machinae @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 04:44pm)
"Random with assassin" and "doesnt play sins".
I bet I have had alot more assassins than you have years behind in your life.. :~D

And I never said "physical doesn't matter", I just clearly stated that skills and faster claw would beat that up.
Or are YOU the random who uses BUGS to acquire top IAS for your traps ? Lmao.


You get trap speed fine with wsm bugging. wsm bugging actually gives you easier bps and more ias stack than using 2x -30wsm claws.

You may have had a lot of assassins in your time playing d2, but times have changed and builds have evolved. Physical damage is just good for any sin using ww. Just about everyone uses wsm bugging nowadays. No reason not to use the heavier hitting claws.
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