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Oct 29 2008 05:35pm
Quote (Engel @ Wed, Oct 29 2008, 07:29pm)
Spartikis I'm a bit lazy to review this so called vit bowazon guide, but I took a one second glance and noticed your "Max Crit, max dodge, max avoid" blah blah blah,  those skills deal with percentages... Not everyone is going to have the same exact skills,  I can almost promise you that you wasted skill points with telling people to max this and that when it's completely un needed.

As for bows,  no matter what ed/min/max/speed you have the base bow average is not going to change lol.


Yes i know they deal with percentages, if you follow the guide you dont have to worry about it, i have it all layed out, and nothing is wasted. And if you dont follow exactly then you will have to take responsibility and find exactly what you need your base stats to be. Plus i feel that gettign the highest possible passives is a much more effective way to use skill points, rather than just throwing the extras into something useless like slow missle or something.

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As for bows,  no matter what ed/min/max/speed you have the base bow average is not going to change lol.

Whats your point? Of coruse the average bow dmg is the same doesnt change, i never said the base dmg of the bow changes
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Spartikis I'm a bit lazy to review this so called vit bowazon guide

I would recommend reading something before you decide to bash it

This post was edited by Spartikis on Oct 29 2008 05:38pm
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Oct 29 2008 05:39pm
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Whats your point? Of coruse the average bow dmg is the same doesnt change, i never said the base dmg of the bow changes


I don't mean to sound mean or anything but if you make guides that only follow a single course without teaching people other aspects of a zon... You just create a bunch of cookie cutters and that's what I really hate the most ;x
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Oct 29 2008 05:42pm
Quote (Engel @ Wed, Oct 29 2008, 07:39pm)
I don't mean to sound mean or anything but if you make guides that only follow a single course without teaching people other aspects of a zon... You just create a bunch of cookie cutters and that's what I really hate the most ;x


True i don't like cookie cutter builds either, thats why i spent the time to research zons and come up with something original that fit my own needs. But this is a specialized build that deals specifically with concept of a vita bowzon. There are plenty of general guides out if people are just looking for basic info, pretty sure most people can agree that my guide is already long enough and if i covered every tiny details about bowzons it would be many times as long.

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Oct 29 2008 05:42pm
While it's true that this guide is very specific, it's also a rather different perspective than what most people are used to seeing. Take it as it is.
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Oct 29 2008 05:45pm
Quote (Legolas-III @ Wed, Oct 29 2008, 07:42pm)
While it's true that this guide is very specific, it's also a rather different perspective than what most people are used to seeing. Take it as it is.


Very well put, this is very different approach to a bowzon and i have taken alot of criticism because of it. I dont think everyone has to like the build or use it i just want the information to be out there for people who do want to take advantage of it.

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Oct 29 2008 05:54pm
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Very well put, this is very different approach to a bowzon and i have taken alot of criticism because of it. I dont think everyone has to like the build or use it i just want the information to be out there for people who do want to take advantage of it.


Not saying I hate your build, although I do not like Vita Bowazons, they have their strengths but I prefer to think on a bowa vs bowa aspect. A Bowazon of pure dex and good build with a good player would kill a good Vita zon player ;X

The Vita Bowzon sacrifices approximately 25% of her damage so that she can take 380% to 650%? Where do you get these numbers lol. My "glass cannon" bowa vs bowa zon has 1.2k life and is pure dex, I'm trying to figure what constitutes taking 650% more damage?
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Oct 29 2008 05:57pm
Quote (Engel @ Wed, Oct 29 2008, 07:54pm)
Not saying I hate your build, although I do not like Vita Bowazons,  they have their strengths but I prefer to think on a bowa vs bowa aspect.  A Bowazon of pure dex and good build with a good player would kill a good Vita zon player ;X

The Vita Bowzon sacrifices approximately 25% of her damage so that she can take 380% to 650%?  Where do you get these numbers lol.  My "glass cannon" bowa vs bowa zon has 1.2k life and is pure dex,  I'm trying to figure what constitutes taking 650% more damage?


dmg reduction and resistance...its all explained on the first page wink.gif
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Oct 29 2008 05:58pm
Quote (Engel @ Wed, Oct 29 2008, 11:54pm)
Not saying I hate your build, although I do not like Vita Bowazons, they have their strengths but I prefer to think on a bowa vs bowa aspect. A Bowazon of pure dex and good build with a good player would kill a good Vita zon player ;X

The Vita Bowzon sacrifices approximately 25% of her damage so that she can take 380% to 650%? Where do you get these numbers lol. My "glass cannon" bowa vs bowa zon has 1.2k life and is pure dex, I'm trying to figure what constitutes taking 650% more damage?


What's there to complain about? Don't like it, don't build it. Stay with your glass bowazon imo, let others give this a try.
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Oct 29 2008 06:00pm
Quote (Spartikis @ Wed, Oct 29 2008, 06:57pm)
dmg reduction and resistance...its all explained on the first page wink.gif


Right so, Dex zons don't have damage reduction or resistances? o.O Not an accurate statement ;X

Quote (so13eit @ Wed, Oct 29 2008, 06:58pm)
What's there to complain about? Don't like it, don't build it. Stay with your glass bowazon imo, let others give this a try.


Say that to everyone else who has some disagreements in guides? o.O

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Oct 29 2008 06:42pm
Quote (Spartikis @ Wed, Oct 29 2008, 06:45pm)
Very well put, this is very different approach to a bowzon and i have taken alot of criticism because of it. I dont think everyone has to like the build or use it i just want the information to be out there for people who do want to take advantage of it.


Has anyone built this zon other than me? biggrin.gif

Quote (Engel @ Wed, Oct 29 2008, 07:00pm)
Right so, Dex zons don't have damage reduction or resistances? o.O Not an accurate statement ;X


if for w/e reason, a glass zon might ber their ss, thats 43 dr on switch only, 35 if they dont ber ss. With bow out they have 0% dr = ur fucked if u get attacked even once, twice if ur lucky.
As for res.. on a glass zon u cant get high res without fuckin up some of ur stats.. and u wont get stacked res successfully like a vita zon.

on top of all this ur reducing damage being done to 1k or so life... a strong attack can make it seem like those res/dr u have dont even exist... You think a u can tank a 22k or so fb with 75 res but only 1k life? Ull be lucky if u have a hair of life left. We have 3.5k + life, so that damage reduce stuff like DR and resist will have decent life to work with.

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