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Nov 2 2010 09:20pm
Quote (ragnaroks @ Nov 2 2010 06:52pm)
Why RT > GT? Also you mean a budget fools/40 IAS/~200ed RT? Without LS? With LS they are like 5k. Here's some standard prices about fools claws:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=49446771&f=54


4* +3 LS + Fools +30 IAS GT > 1500 FG each
2* +3 LS + Fools +30 IAS +1 MB GT > 2000 FG each
3* +3 LS + Fools +40 IAS GT > 2000 FG each

HAHAHA you gotta love JSP.... many idiots spending thousands of FG on shitty claws.

You should know that damage does matter on a sin. Gts blow, they don't do enough physical damage. Making a sin based only on OW and venom is not only out of date, but horridly weak as well. It worked in the past because people were still new to the concept of wwsins and didn't know how to protect themselves against them. These days, just about everybody has max resist and WSG reduces the likelihood of your enemy being hit by quite a bit. If you already have trouble getting hits off, why are you going to settle with such a weak hit? Your hits should count.
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Quote (Bryant @ Nov 2 2010 10:20pm)
4* +3 LS + Fools +30 IAS GT > 1500 FG each
2* +3 LS + Fools +30 IAS +1 MB GT > 2000 FG each
3* +3 LS + Fools +40 IAS GT > 2000 FG each

HAHAHA you gotta love JSP.... many idiots spending thousands of FG on shitty claws.

You should know that damage does matter on a sin. Gts blow, they don't do enough physical damage. Making a sin based only on OW and venom is not only out of date, but horridly weak as well. It worked in the past because people were still new to the concept of wwsins and didn't know how to protect themselves against them. These days, just about everybody has max resist and WSG reduces the likelihood of your enemy being hit by quite a bit. If you already have trouble getting hits off, why are you going to settle with such a weak hit? Your hits should count.


After PvP penalties and such the damage difference between GT and RT is like around 20 damage... WHy would you want to spend extra points into str/dex with gear or hard points that can be used for life else where
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Nov 3 2010 06:10am
Quote (Azn Masta @ 3 Nov 2010 03:49)
this is correct.

giving a sin weak claws and thinkin that they are all based on poison and ow damage is a very very out of date belief and is terribly wrong.


If I can't find an IAS/fools/ED RT, how about a fury RT as alternative or it sucks too much? I still need a claw but how the hell can a 40ias/fools/287 rt cost only 100? It's impossible here at europe nl.
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Quote (ragnaroks @ Nov 3 2010 01:10pm)
If I can't find an IAS/fools/ED RT, how about a fury RT as alternative or it sucks too much? I still need a claw but how the hell can a 40ias/fools/287 rt cost only 100? It's impossible here at europe nl.


if u got any ias on ur eq (like bugbelt, highlords or ias jool), i'd change the fury runics to fury ferals for a better dmg

a simple 3 ls fury feral should give u a nice dmg output and can be used vs any low-def char

for higher def chars like hdins, a fools claw can be very effective (hitting your enemy with low dmg > not hitting your enemy with high dmg)


note: if ur using highlords...and u want to wsm ur chaos suwayyah with a fools gt, u don't even need to get any base ias on the gt since u alrdy get the 19 ias from ur hl
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Quote (xRAZORSxManu @ 3 Nov 2010 14:18)
if u got any ias on ur eq (like bugbelt, highlords or ias jool), i'd change the fury runics to fury ferals for a better dmg

a simple 3 ls fury feral should give u a nice dmg output and can be used vs any low-def char

for higher def chars like hdins, a fools claw can be very effective (hitting your enemy with low dmg > not hitting your enemy with high dmg)


note: if ur using highlords...and u want to wsm ur chaos suwayyah with a fools gt, u don't even need to get any base ias on the gt since u alrdy get the 19 ias from ur hl


I am using a crafted fcr amu atm. I have 15 ias on my tiara. (might consider buying a 2os assa circ but don't really want to since my current is quite nice)

I know the ias bp is 19% with -45 WSM bug thingy
But if I use feral + suwayyah I get a -30 with the WSM bug which I still need 42% ias. So fury has 40% ias, and my helm with 15% should do the trick right? So your right, I should aim for a fury ferals.

And alot of people saying fools GT is useless, I want some pshyical damage, so fools/ed.

This post was edited by ragnaroks on Nov 3 2010 07:29am
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Quote (ragnaroks @ Nov 3 2010 02:28pm)
But if I use feral + suwayyah I get a -30 with the WSM bug which I still need 42% ias. So fury has 40% ias, and my helm with 15% should do the trick right? So your right, I should aim for a fury ferals.


that's the point

Quote (ragnaroks @ Nov 3 2010 02:28pm)
And alot of people saying fools GT is useless, I want some pshyical damage, so fools/ed.


u want to hit the hdin (or any other high def char), thats why ur using fools then

ofc a nice ED fools is doing a quite nice dmg, but u wont have the 50% OW then

This post was edited by xRAZORSxManu on Nov 3 2010 07:37am
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Quote (IgNiTe @ 3 Nov 2010 07:09)
After PvP penalties and such the damage difference between GT and RT is like around 20 damage... WHy would you want to spend extra points into str/dex with gear or hard points that can be used for life else where


After PvP penalties 20 damage is a significant increase, especially when you consider just how often ww hits.

Max vit is overrated, it's well worth the stat investment and it gives a minor ED boost as well.

@ragnaroks try a HL setup, this way you can use 2x bers in a 2/20/2 circlet, you'd be surprised how much phys dmg you can do on a budget simply by getting decent claws and using HL. Also, a 3 LS fury feral is a solid choice, on a Hybrid it will beat out most Fools claws you come across vs a lot of opponents, you can use that vs all and have a ED/fools/no ias Runic in stash for high def opponents. It takes a very good fools claw to fully replace feral Fury.

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Quote (IgNiTe @ Nov 2 2010 11:09pm)
After PvP penalties and such the damage difference between GT and RT is like around 20 damage... WHy would you want to spend extra points into str/dex with gear or hard points that can be used for life else where


Ahh the theorycrafting tradespawns have arrived.
Do some actual duels against good wwsins and see for yourself just how much the physical damage can hurt on wwsins.

Quote (ragnaroks @ Nov 3 2010 05:10am)
If I can't find an IAS/fools/ED RT, how about a fury RT as alternative or it sucks too much? I still need a claw but how the hell can a 40ias/fools/287 rt cost only 100? It's impossible here at europe nl.


Ahh sorry I guess that's just west trading. I figured since europe (and maybe east, I don't know) is like west with their love of shitty damage claws that elite higher ED claws would cost less. It costed me only 100 lol.
It's still a nice thing to get though.
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Nov 3 2010 12:18pm
Which do you prefer? Ghost or Hybrid? Since you have both :P
I keep respec'ing and I can't make up my mind =_=;;;
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Quote (IgNiTe @ Nov 3 2010 02:09am)
After PvP penalties and such the damage difference between GT and RT is like around 20 damage... WHy would you want to spend extra points into str/dex with gear or hard points that can be used for life else where


get a claw with 250+ ed, and see how much that damage translates to ^^

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