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Oct 31 2010 08:54pm
eth fools claw with 2 sin skills is better or non eth fool claw with 2 sin and 3 ls is better ?
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Oct 31 2010 08:56pm
Quote (Ziecheik @ Oct 31 2010 11:06am)
read guide you are posting in?


Some people like to be spoonfed.
Was a perfect troll opportunity.
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Oct 31 2010 09:19pm
Quote (Caldeum @ Oct 31 2010 10:54pm)
eth fools claw with 2 sin skills is better or non eth fool claw with 2 sin and 3 ls is better ?


show me s/s and we'll talk

chances are the 2/3 will be better unless the other one is just down right amazing
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Nov 1 2010 11:45am
Quote (MoXeR @ Oct 30 2010 11:59pm)
hmm that sound like a very very good idea
thx alot for this response

Edit: is this allowed in gm duels?
just wondering because thats a totally new point which hasnt been disgussed in this tread yet


yes cube in inventory is allowed in gm duels
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Nov 2 2010 07:23pm
Hey what claws build do you recommend for a hybridsin and why? I never played PvP with hybrid sin before and I just want to test it out without spending ten thousands of fg.

Do you have a basic (budget) claw setup? I was thinking to use the WSM bug with the following claws:
Chaos suwayyah
Not too sure about my second claw, the prices on 40 ias / fools / 3 LS are rather expensive and I would like to avoid buying them before I seriously consider to build a near-perfect hybsin. Can you recommend any alternative where I can hit my 9 frame trap laying?

My helm provides 15 ias. (can also get a 2 socket helm with 30ias/30@ if its for a more effective build)

WSM works when you equip your slowest claw (WSM+IAS) on your primary slot as the last claw right? So your fastest claw should be equiped first on the secondary slot. I read it about this and didn't really undersand how it worked perfectly.

Edit: How about this claw setup, will it work? Chaos suwayyah + GT fools 10 ias 'umum'. Is it effective enough? I heard the bp on -45 WSM is 19 ias so I have 25 there.

This post was edited by ragnaroks on Nov 2 2010 07:28pm
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Quote (ragnaroks @ Nov 2 2010 06:23pm)
Hey what claws build do you recommend for a hybridsin and why? I never played PvP with hybrid sin before and I just want to test it out without spending ten thousands of fg.

Do you have a basic (budget) claw setup? I was thinking to use the WSM bug with the following claws:
Chaos suwayyah
Not too sure about my second claw, the prices on 40 ias / fools / 3 LS are rather expensive and I would like to avoid buying them before I seriously consider to build a near-perfect hybsin. Can you recommend any alternative where I can hit my 9 frame trap laying?

My helm provides 15 ias. (can also get a 2 socket helm with 30ias/30@ if its for a more effective build)

WSM works when you equip your slowest claw (WSM+IAS) on your primary slot as the last claw right? So your fastest claw should be equiped first on the secondary slot. I read it about this and didn't really undersand how it worked perfectly.

Edit: How about this claw setup, will it work? Chaos suwayyah + GT fools 10 ias 'umum'. Is it effective enough? I heard the bp on -45 WSM is 19 ias so I have 25 there.


Budget claw setup = chaos suwayah + fools/fury runics. Budget fools = 40 IAS/fools/~200 ED. Those don't cost too much. I got my 287 ED fools ferals for 100 fg.

WSM bugging works by altering your primary claw. Primary claw = claw that is equipped first (or defaulted to gloveside slot), which is why you lift your slower claw and replace it.
Yes that setup works, but I recommend you getting at least a fools RT. GTs suck.
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Nov 2 2010 07:52pm
Quote (Bryant @ 3 Nov 2010 02:42)
Budget claw setup = chaos suwayah + fools/fury runics. Budget fools = 40 IAS/fools/~200 ED. Those don't cost too much. I got my 287 ED fools ferals for 100 fg.

WSM bugging works by altering your primary claw. Primary claw = claw that is equipped first (or defaulted to gloveside slot), which is why you lift your slower claw and replace it.
Yes that setup works, but I recommend you getting at least a fools RT. GTs suck.


Why RT > GT? Also you mean a budget fools/40 IAS/~200ed RT? Without LS? With LS they are like 5k. Here's some standard prices about fools claws:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=49446771&f=54

This post was edited by ragnaroks on Nov 2 2010 07:53pm
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Nov 2 2010 08:34pm
RT over GT for.... damage, don't know why people don't think damage matters
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RT over GT for.... damage, don't know why people don't think damage matters


this is correct.

giving a sin weak claws and thinkin that they are all based on poison and ow damage is a very very out of date belief and is terribly wrong.
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Nov 2 2010 09:09pm
nice info in guide!
this is like top assa posible!, good info for calculations!

3532-4270 onscrean glitched choas damage
+ravenfrost

4300+ WW damage (~1700 venom, ~2600 physical)
means

vs 95es sorc this makes!

(4270-1700)*2critical = 5140 fisical damage is max posible when your lucky!
with the choas (magic and cold damage incl.!)

5140/6/20 = 42.8 combined pdr-mdr overflow needed
gerke: 16pdr+18mdr overflow magic+18mdr overflow cold = 52 combined pdr+mdr overflow

fury damage: (3367max-1700)*2critical=3334 fisical damage
3334/6/20 = 27.8 needed
gerke: 16pdr+18mdr overflow cold = 34

makes gerke sorc not loose last life vs your ww!

ofc you have traps, but always nice to know someones assa melee damage!

This post was edited by Tommyvv on Nov 2 2010 09:10pm
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