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Oct 22 2010 05:57am
Quote (Soka_Gakkai @ Oct 21 2010 01:26pm)
if you have taken time to read the whole guide, you would already found some answers, but i can understand that it is not easy, 141 pages of discussion (for me)

here it:


I have read the guide, still dont expect me to read 350 + pages of discussions and sometimes nonsense please.

Thanks alot for your help though, highly appreciated. I am just loving assassins which are able to whirl as most people writing here,
so don´t eat me please when i am not that much into it some Maths/Basics and ask for opinions ;)

Quote (Tails chao @ Oct 21 2010 02:51pm)
I rate OW a lot higher than I used to, I 100% recommend any open sockets you have in a claw to be full of Ums. I would rate it: Cruel's>Um>Lo in priority order on a claw, that's ignoring +ls/ias/base claw type etc, just the whirl damage boosts.

OW pierces ES, bone armour, it makes it harder for your opponent to rep and it's passive damage. Most importantly, it's significant passive damage.

In any case that claw is too slow lol.


I agree totally.

I would resock the posted claw with Um anyway btw.

I am just asking, if it would be an idea to use the claw against special opponents.
My calculations said the claw isnt too slow. I am using Chaos Runics Offhand, and combined with Bugbelt ( available on europe, giving 10ias ) i achieve fastest ww bp and 10th frame trap laying. (with highlords even 9th = fastest)
So my question is:

Can it beat 3ls 2mb 2wb Fury ( higher ow ofc + higher Ls dmg , block) , or
2 assa 40 ias 2ls fools ferals " Um´d " with some max dmg / fire dmg ( final max dmg up to 115) - ( highest Ls dmg, more ar, more block )

I am asking for opinions,

take note i am playing a hybsin similar to the topic creator. and no ghost

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Oct 22 2010 06:03am
sasins need to use wisp projector

for oak benefits
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Oct 22 2010 07:44am
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Oct 22 2010 08:49am
Quote (Sa_Se @ 22 Oct 2010 12:57)
I have read the guide, still dont expect me to read 350 + pages of discussions and sometimes nonsense please.

Thanks alot for your help though, highly appreciated. I am just loving assassins which are able to whirl as most people writing here,
so don´t eat me please when i am not that much into it some Maths/Basics and ask for opinions ;)



I agree totally.

I would resock the posted claw with Um anyway btw.

I am just asking, if it would be an idea to use the claw against special opponents.
My calculations said the claw isnt too slow. I am using Chaos Runics Offhand, and combined with Bugbelt ( available on europe, giving 10ias )  i achieve fastest ww bp and 10th frame trap laying. (with highlords even 9th = fastest)
So my question is:

Can it beat 3ls 2mb 2wb Fury ( higher ow ofc + higher Ls dmg , block) , or
2 assa 40 ias 2ls fools ferals " Um´d " with some max dmg / fire dmg ( final max dmg up to 115) - ( highest Ls dmg, more ar, more block )

I am asking for opinions,

take note i am playing a hybsin similar to the topic creator. and no ghost


problem is if you do manage to make that claw hit a good ias frame you have to use an awkward build (bugbelt/no hl), dunno I don't really like it I'd use the other two but use it if you like.

Quote (mizure @ 22 Oct 2010 13:03)
sasins need to use wisp projector

for oak benefits


yea wisp/fcr ring> for vs all unless you're on east xd
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Quote (Tails chao @ Oct 22 2010 10:49am)
problem is if you do manage to make that claw hit a good ias frame you have to use an awkward build (bugbelt/no hl), dunno I don't really like it I'd use the other two but use it if you like.



yea wisp/fcr ring> for vs all unless you're on east xd


you can use oak on west? wtff
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Oct 22 2010 09:33am
Quote (drunken_tiger @ Oct 22 2010 11:21am)
you can use oak on west? wtff


yea charges are allowed on other realms. its retarded...
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Oct 22 2010 09:35am
Quote (Azn Masta @ Oct 22 2010 03:33pm)
yea charges are allowed on other realms. its retarded...


it's fine imo.
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Oct 22 2010 09:41am
Quote (Azn Masta @ 22 Oct 2010 16:33)
yea charges are allowed on other realms. its retarded...


nothing's wrong with it?

Quote (drunken_tiger @ 22 Oct 2010 16:21)
you can use oak on west? wtff


east is the only realm that can't use charges lol
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Oct 22 2010 09:44am
Quote (Azn Masta @ 22 Oct 2010 18:33)
yea charges are allowed on other realms. its retarded...


yea, its retarded, its retarded that east doesnt allow it
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Oct 22 2010 10:29am
i got a question for hybird sins..how do u beat exile tap smiters with like 35 defence? they synch thru traps and then telestomp smite? sometimes they pull out holy freeze and slows u down..when they hf flash their telestomps dont miss...what do sins do about that?
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