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Aug 13 2009 10:31pm
Quote (sXTitan @ Fri, Aug 14 2009, 04:29am)
how is that possible!?!

is it because of the increase in damage on the druids fire skills?

no, it's because you're not dueling mfers :(


ur wrong to say they are mfers, which really isnt true,
ppl make a dueler for a reason, and sure as hell they aint for mfing.
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Quote (sXTitan @ Thu, Aug 13 2009, 11:29pm)
how is that possible!?!
is it because of the increase in damage on the druids fire skills?


No, its because things like whirlwind damage, which is item based, can become much stronger towards high items, and the shamans attacks which often lie just about on the line of dealing either 37% or 75% fhr, or 0% or 37% fhr, due to dealing 1/16 or 1/8 or 1/4 of an opponents HP, can sink below that, whereas hammerdins for example will always take 1/4 of your HP at least, just being crippled by how hard it is to hit. Hence as HP's grow much larger, but damages stay relatively the same, other characters tank shamans much better than shamans tank other characters, even though the HP goes up by the same margin.

Thinks like ghosts/hybrids/bvcs/etc can be massively boosted by awesome rare and 08 items, whereas the only room for improvement on a shaman, over the basic "Hoto/enigma/spirit" crap is a the pelt.

Comprende?



Shamans clearly still work even in perfect item vs perfect item, but they'll have harder matchups against the characters they lose to (ghosts) and better against the ones they beat (bone necros) as the items approach the limit. A "0 life skiller" shaman might have 50% chance of beating a "0 life skiller" ghost, but a "45 life skiller" shaman might have 20% chance of beating a "45 life skiller" ghost. At lower gear setups, it often becomes much more player-skill intensive; a shaman can beat a blizz sorc even if he dies in 1 hit, if he outplays her.

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What would be the perfect pelt for your build?
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Quote (Lombimars @ Thu, Aug 13 2009, 11:38pm)
What would be the perfect pelt for your build?




something along those lines
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Aug 13 2009 10:41pm
Quote (deathwinger @ Thu, Aug 13 2009, 09:36pm)
No, its because things like whirlwind damage, which is item based, can become much stronger towards high items, and the shamans attacks which often lie just about on the line of dealing either 37% or 75% fhr, or 0% or 37% fhr, due to dealing 1/16 or 1/8 or 1/4 of an opponents HP, can sink below that, whereas hammerdins for example will always take 1/4 of your HP at least, just being crippled by how hard it is to hit. Hence as HP's grow much larger, but damages stay relatively the same, other characters tank shamans much better than shamans tank other characters, even though the HP goes up by the same margin.

Thinks like ghosts/hybrids/bvcs/etc can be massively boosted by awesome rare and 08 items, whereas the only room for improvement on a shaman, over the basic "Hoto/enigma/spirit" crap is a the pelt.

Comprende?



Shamans clearly still work even in perfect item vs perfect item, but they'll have harder matchups against the characters they lose to (ghosts) and better against the ones they beat (bone necros) as the items approach the limit. A "0 life skiller" shaman might have 50% chance of beating a "0 life skiller" ghost, but a "45 life skiller" shaman might have 20% chance of beating a "45 life skiller" ghost. At lower gear setups, it often becomes much more player-skill intensive; a shaman can beat a blizz sorc even if he dies in 1 hit, if he outplays her.


you're right, your build is meant for dueling 1k hp chars that die in 1 volcano
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Quote (deathwinger @ Fri, 14 Aug 2009, 06:40)
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6613/shamanpelt.png

something along those lines


This one is pretty cute, someone's using it or it has been banned?
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Quote (sXTitan @ Thu, Aug 13 2009, 11:41pm)
you're right, your build is meant for dueling 1k hp chars that die in 1 volcano


yeah and fireball sorcs instantly lose to anyone who can take more than 1 hit

:rolleyes:
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Quote (Lombimars @ Thu, Aug 13 2009, 11:42pm)
This one is pretty cute, someone's using it or it has been banned?


it took me about 3 minutes on hero editor.

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Quote (deathwinger @ Fri, 14 Aug 2009, 06:42)
it took me about 3 minutes on hero editor.

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oh xD
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Quote (deathwinger @ Fri, 14 Aug 2009, 07:15)
yea, sins are still the toughest duel for a shaman tho.
Hybrids, that is, or ghosts.

I'm DISO a name for new ladder once it resets :'(

Wonder whos using stuff like Grizzly, Shaman, Volcano, Pedobear, Armageddon, etc. I want a name like that :(


trappers too ^^
I suppose not many trappers use kicks or fireblast against you, but they really make it easier for the assa
this might have range compared to windy, but this really has no "anti-stomp" nature of windy that makes chasing windy on trapper really hard

This post was edited by tudey on Aug 14 2009 01:19am
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