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Aug 13 2009 04:59pm
Quote (deathwinger @ Fri, 14 Aug 2009, 01:50)
well honestly I think it would do worse at D2PK than on bnet.

Shamans have more diminishing returns with gear; they work even better with less than perfect gear matches than at perfect gear matchs. For example, a shaman vs a sorc, both using "0 life skiller" equivalent gear, the shaman will win 10-0. But when you give both 100% perfect gear, the sorc will do much better; it becomes tougher to FHR lock, to break her ES, to stutter her movement with volcano, etc. The point isn't that shamans don't work in "perfect vs perfect", they obviously still do (like you are noticing on d2pk), but imo they actually work even better on battle.net, where gear is more realistic.

Thats one reason I wouldn't recommend it on d2pk but it seems like its doing ok over there O_o.
But yeah especially with allied sins in TvT it can wreck some havoc. I used to use it in TvT a lot but haven't done much lately


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any good sorc should not have 0life skiller really ^^
fissuredamage isnt that much bigger i think (I got like 5-5.5k atm) but volcano has double physical damage, a lot easier to fhr lock (fire is ~same)

If we talk about realms Im not going to assume ladder pubs or anything, on d2pk it will probably work better becouse it is easier to fhr lock, sure they got better gear but not _that_ much better than what they should have at realms
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Aug 13 2009 05:09pm
anyone can try his "shaman" or fire druid vs me at eu i will demolish everyone using it
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Quote (tudey @ Thu, Aug 13 2009, 05:59pm)
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any good sorc should not have 0life skiller really ^^

Hey neither should a good shaman, and I'm one of the best on east when my best skiller has +31% gold find :cry:


the real difference with D2PK is that nobody is running around there with crap or mediocre gear. Everyone has impossibly good crap. When you add in people with mediocre gear, like myself, its a little more balanced towards shaman domination. I plan on making a souper shexy one with the new ladder coming. But people seem to have this impossibly high requirement for theorycraft characters. Like they look at my aurasorc and say "This will never work vs anyone good". And just an hour ago I beat the #1 ranked SvS on ladder, 5-1. Its sort of silly. People look at shaman and say "Well how will this duel vs ghostsin with 100% perfectly godly gear?". I mean I've killed oni a few times, but obviously if you pick out the hardest matchup, give them 1000x my gear, I'm going to lose more than I win, and I know that

But in more evenly matched players/gear, Shaman is more than a competent build. Does a hell of a lot better than most cookie cutters in most matchups, and doesn't have nearly as much 'counterability'
If someone joins with a BvB when I'm on a BvC, theres literally nothing I can do.

This post was edited by deathwinger on Aug 13 2009 05:10pm
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Aug 13 2009 05:11pm
very nice guide - well done :)
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Aug 13 2009 05:19pm
Quote (deathwinger @ Thu, Aug 13 2009, 06:09pm)
Hey neither should a good shaman, and I'm one of the best on east when my best skiller has +31% gold find :cry:


the real difference with D2PK is that nobody is running around there with crap or mediocre gear. Everyone has impossibly good crap. When you add in people with mediocre gear, like myself, its a little more balanced towards shaman domination. I plan on making a souper shexy one with the new ladder coming. But people seem to have this impossibly high requirement for theorycraft characters. Like they look at my aurasorc and say "This will never work vs anyone good". And just an hour ago I beat the #1 ranked SvS on ladder, 5-1. Its sort of silly. People look at shaman and say "Well how will this duel vs ghostsin with 100% perfectly godly gear?". I mean I've killed oni a few times, but obviously if you pick out the hardest matchup, give them 1000x my gear, I'm going to lose more than I win, and I know that

But in more evenly matched players/gear, Shaman is more than a competent build. Does a hell of a lot better than most cookie cutters in most matchups, and doesn't have nearly as much 'counterability'
If someone joins with a BvB when I'm on a BvC, theres literally nothing I can do.




there are more asns than oni with that gear setup.

And I've beaten him too.

terribly defensive, but still a win ^^

This post was edited by sorowfulhatred on Aug 13 2009 05:30pm
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Aug 13 2009 10:15pm
yea, sins are still the toughest duel for a shaman tho.
Hybrids, that is, or ghosts.

I'm DISO a name for new ladder once it resets :'(

Wonder whos using stuff like Grizzly, Shaman, Volcano, Pedobear, Armageddon, etc. I want a name like that :(
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Quote (neoK @ Fri, 14 Aug 2009, 01:09)
anyone can try his "shaman" or fire druid vs me at eu i will demolish everyone using it


No one cares about what you have to said.

Cool guide, i used to have one, one of the funniest char to play.
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Aug 13 2009 10:24pm
I like this guide, nice 1 m8,
it's great to see unsual builds going on instead of the same old genaric hammerdins/ smiters and all the other cookie crap.
i will 100% give this 1 a go some day, even if i don't 'own', i rather use this and have some fun.
:cheers:
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Quote (CrimsonOdin @ Fri, 14 Aug 2009, 06:24)
I like this guide, nice 1 m8,
it's great to see unsual builds going on instead of the same old genaric hammerdins/ smiters and all the other cookie crap.
i will 100% give this 1 a go some day, even if i don't 'own', i rather use this and have some fun.
:cheers:


Especially this paragraph was fun to read^^ :

The BOULDERPK:
You're in a baal run, you're on a level 60 sorc with not much hp, no stats spent yet. Theres some kinda fire druid shooping around in the background. BAM. HE HOSTILED YOU. BAM, YOU DIED! BOULDERPK is just about the only manual TPPK that can be done in d2; you can tppk people without needing hacks. Simply roll a boulder, go to town, hostile. Boulders are so slow you can do this with your pudgy fingers alone. Just be warned that its hardly effective against competent characters. Great for picking off lowbies.
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Aug 13 2009 10:29pm
Quote (deathwinger @ Thu, Aug 13 2009, 03:50pm)
well honestly I think it would do worse at D2PK than on bnet.


how is that possible!?!

is it because of the increase in damage on the druids fire skills?

no, it's because you're not dueling mfers :(
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