Remember that the FHR allows you to use other charms.

im using 9x pcombats 10x 20/5s (5fhr/5res to hits the bp when i need to) lol

the thing with smiters is u dont really need fhr in every matchup (only vs sins really)

cuz close range smite > all attacks. and u can charge out of everything else

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 16 2009 08:16pm

at 96

with your 12/20 build you have 5556 foh grief side.

lets say
5556 vs 75 res 1 wisp(which is not the max sorb in gm)

5556*.17=944.52

944.52*.25=236.13

wisp effect
236.13*.8=188.904-(236.13-188.904=47.226)=141.678

4346 vs 75 res 1 wisp(which is not the max sorb in gm)

4346*.17=738.82

738.82*.25=184.705

wisp effect
184.705*.8=147.764-(184.705-147.764=36.941)=110.823

according to arreat summit


65.3 smite vs 30.8 foh( only with 1 wisp so 80/20 and tgod is a lot different)

This post was edited by Aube on Jul 16 2009 09:48pm

very nice calculations and agreeable. but let ms ask you these few questions.

1) im not sure what the best combo is to optimize FOH damage (perhaps you could let me know?) and 4.3? is it really that low? i thought foh can reach ~4.8k for a vt

2) as a foh/smite character, the small boost in smite doesnt really help all that much because if u can get someone to come close to you to smite them, you are already doing major damage and that extra 65 damage wont make much of a difference (other than vt vs vt) however, the problem is getting close in the first place. most of the duel you will be forced to keep a distance and spam FOH to wound them, at least until you get into range to smite. so i understand that the boost to smite may be greater, BUT its comparing the overall usefulness of the "aa" ranged attack and effectiveness in a real pvp situation vs a close ranged one

ex: a barb will do more damage ww than a bowzon can with arrows. but why is the zon effective? because they can wound their opponent at a safe distance while the barb has to catch them to do the damage. same situation applies in our scenerio. as a vt player, (against like a hdin or nec or something im just using a matchup thats difficult for the vt player) most of the time, you will be trying to hurt them with foh and force them to come in range for you to smite. if they see a significant damage from foh and see it as a threat they will be more likely to be aggressive and make reckless mistake. but if they dont see you as a threat, most of the time, they will think more carefully and wait for YOU to mess up, etc..

3) dont you play using the 5556foh damage build as well? i recall you tellin me you did

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 16 2009 10:33pm

it depends on how much + skill and + pcomb you have. I presonally take into considaration 2-3 setup when I put foh skills. you can loose like 5 foh dmg on main setup and gain 20 on an other usefull setup

yeah at 96 its 4.3ish. at 99 its 4.8 rounded up


it depends on
-opponent life
-dr(46?48?50? it makes a lot of difference)
-char(how many occasion to foh a sin/nec/druid ? they are top char and they are hard to foh)


arrow is the main attack of a bowa. Foh isnt for a V/t. when you foh you become vunarable vs projectiles so more you foh chance of getting hit increase.

I agree some duelers would become aggressive but the 100 foh dmg of 5556 wont bother good duelers


Never did. I said a lot of bullshit about my build so... ^^

so you think a vt > a tv build like mine? i mean numbers mean one thing, but u also have to consider who you are dueling as well and how often are you going to use what vs something that you would have problems against

ez:
bowzon
cs zon
melee druids

medium:
barb
druid
sorc

hard:
sins
necs
hdins (with stack)

ex: vs a necro who has a lot of experience with ibs trains, most of the time its VERY dangerious to try to smite him, you only get a chance to do it once in a while and then he'll wsg and tele away to recase bone armor again after getting hit maybe 1-2x. that means the majority of the duel will be teleing around@75fcr and spamming foh to annoy him and make him slip up so you can chainlock smite

vs a hdin, most of the duel will be foh to aggrevate him to get him to make a mistake so u can smite him. smite will be used almost as a defensive attack instead of offense

vs a sin, you will be runnig around in circles back and forth using foh to lure them out. if smite will only be used once you get them to come out.

so in my opinion, ez and medium duels can go either way, with more smite or foh... but when u duel harder opponents i find the foh really handy. dont you agree?

ps. if you still think vt > tv.... do you kno how to optimize foh (with all the +skills and gears too?) i might end up trying it out, but my first vindicator/templar was a vt and i ended up liking tv more :/

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 16 2009 10:45pm

OF course gabe knows how to optimize foh he is pro nig

I dueled a pretty pesky V/T on D2PK with CTC LR gloves and TMC.

which is why im asking him. because when i made a vt i wasnt satisfied with the foh damage

hence why i currently use a t/v

but i dunno. i think it comes down to playing style in the end. perhaps neither build is better than the other

(altho for pubbing t/v clearly wins)

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 16 2009 10:55pm

vs nec/sin Don't forget the golem/shadow usually tank a lot of foh

vs druid foh dmg pointless

if the hdin lose vs the Vt/Tv its his fault. Hdin should win almost every duel. Already showed my point in game idk if you remember

If more foh would be more handy to me I would make a Tv asap ^^