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Sep 29 2010 08:46pm
Quote (Bryant @ Sep 29 2010 04:47am)
Visionary is overrated.


better than nothing. especially if u dont have a good fools yet
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Quote (Azn Masta @ Sep 29 2010 10:46pm)
better than nothing. especially if u dont have a good fools yet


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Sep 29 2010 09:26pm
Quote (Azn Masta @ Sep 29 2010 06:46pm)
better than nothing. especially if u dont have a good fools yet


Yes, but he shouldn't be going out of his way and paying shitloads for a mod that can be easily outclassed.
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Sep 30 2010 08:31am
my sin, i realise visionary without fools is kind of pointless, the ar gain from visc is very little without fools
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Sep 30 2010 09:09am
Quote (Soka_Gakkai @ 30 Sep 2010 15:31)
my sin, i realise visionary without fools is kind of pointless, the ar gain from visc is very little without fools


it's not really 'little', let alone 'very little', it's just that other mods should have more priority.
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Sep 30 2010 09:12am
how much ar exactly do you have with and without visionary?
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Read the whole guide, very helpful but I'm leaning more towards a Ghostsin, how are they in pvp compared with hybsins?

+ I still dont get which claw is the best for chaos.. in your glitched build you use a suwayah but in reg. build you use feral claw or smth ?

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Read the whole guide, very helpful but I'm leaning more towards a Ghostsin, how are they in pvp compared with hybsins?

+ I still dont get which claw is the best for chaos.. in your glitched build you use a suwayah but in reg. build you use feral claw or smth ?


suwayyah chaos is the best if you wsm bug with a feral/runic.

Ghosts tend to do better vs casters (particularly Necs) because max Mindblast makes chasing much, much easier. Hybrids are pretty much just ghosts who give up max mindblast to have sentries vs melee threats (smiters/barbs etc).
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Sep 30 2010 09:32am
Quote (Tails chao @ 30 Sep 2010 17:18)
suwayyah chaos is the best if you wsm bug with a feral/runic.

Ghosts tend to do better vs casters (particularly Necs) because max Mindblast makes chasing much, much easier. Hybrids are pretty much just ghosts who give up max mindblast to have sentries vs melee threats (smiters/barbs etc).


so a hybsin is the better all-round char for 1v1 duelling ?

€dit: never had a ghost/hybsin before so also wondering how big of a threat are smiters/barbs/.. ?

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so a hybsin is the better all-round char for 1v1 duelling ?

€dit: never had a ghost/hybsin before so also wondering how big of a threat are smiters/barbs/.. ?


you'll have less problems overall with solo pubbing if you use a hybridsin.
barbs are a hard counter to ghosts meaning you won't beat them with a ghost. if they have maxblock then its even worse, if they are a block build they can really suck and still beat a ghost.
smiters are not that much of a problem once you learn to duel vs them, but a lot of mediocre ghosts struggle with smiters, also it is kinda hard to hit the "anti-barb" variant smiters with 60k+ def

I wouldn't really focus which one is "better" since it depends on the matchups and individual play style, but think which kind of character you want to play more. hybrids have more options with damaging traps which make them versatile and you can mix up gameplay style, ghosts are really fun to chase players with because they have such strong chasing power with maxed mb. ghosts slam most casters much harder than a hybrid, but then they fall to barbs, and are at a class disadvantage sin vs sin to both trappers and hybrids. pallies take some getting used to on a ghost but aren't that bad of a matchup imo.
imo, read this guide, read tienje's ghost guide, watch some youtube videos of ghosts and hybrids, then choose whichever one you think you'll have more fun with. personally I like playing ghosts more cause I like to stomp on players, and I like pure trappers more than hybrids in gm vs all, and my favorite pubbing experience was with my kicksin even though they have more shortcomings than most pvp classes. so in short, choose what you think you'll like.
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