some bowas seem to be really pain in the ass

just dueled one, I couldnt get near him at all, if I tried to telestomp he switched to javs and owned summons in few hits (leeching 1/8 hp or more every hit) and outtanked me easily =(
fissures didnt seem to do much either since he had infernos or hots, dno which

well if they absorb it can be tougher
You need to really try to take them by surprise with bear strikes and keep them locked with volcanos when close, fissures when at the range

On d2pk it could be tougher for whatever reasons. Just keep chucking fissures under their feet from a range while teleporting behind them so you don't soak up arrows

well 85res is not really what I would call absorb, its quite normal ^^
yea suprise bearstrikes would perhaps work but its not that easy to pull off ^^
the leech and java switch is really annoying though

try volcano to lock up evade.
telestomp once they are locked up.

ravens seem to help also. (the skill I mean)

leech can be tricky but you're doing something wrong if hes hitting yah :x

people complain about life leech on bear sometimes, but my way of thinking about it is this: Any attack that hits your grizzly and heals him, is something that would have hit you and damaged you, that didn't. And thats not such a bad tradeoff to think about it. Surprise bearstrikes grizzly + volcano combos (land on top of them and stay minion stacked by constantly namelock teleporting as the volcano locks em) really seals the deal.
Really the only problem with bowazons is their strafe, and the approach. Approaching the zon as she chucks out multi-spam can be dangerous as always, so sometimes its tough to get within namelock range without taking a hit or two.


Bowazons can be a very fun, involved duel, but it takes so much skill on the bowas part that 99% of the ones you meet are grizzly fodder
So its tough to really call it a 'difficult' duel


oh yeah and ravens will block/dodge lock good point ^.^
but you should ALWAYS have 5x ravens out. Its not exactly like you lose anything summoning them

This post was edited by deathwinger on Aug 13 2009 04:20pm

thing is, I cant really lock him up with volcano or anything, he just throws some javs and grizzly and oak dies (im using oak vs them since it allows grizzly to tank more multis etc) and I might get locked myself too

if hes throwing LF and using multi, oak won't help
the rule of thumb is that if they *AREN'T* using strafe, you just teleport dead on top of them and volcano your feet, and keep namelock teleporting until either they die or your grizzly dies (if so, teleport away, recast, return).

I've never seen a bnet bowazon survive this without strafe. Maybe d2pk has some weird stuff like 2x throw damage or something

bow > this build anyway
any > this build anyway


careface

d2pk has insane throwdamage javs but he used just plain old titans
imo LF is almost as bad as strafe, its not as good in a way, strafe autoaims and hits faster, however you get block and near maxed dr

and oak surely did help against multi, if it didnt help I wouldnt have used it. Sometimes it died to multi right away, but not always
it sucks vs lf though, that is true



nah especially at d2pk this build is not too bad afterall and its pretty fun to play
holger and I did fun tvts shaman + assa and it was really a lot of fun and it wasnt too bad overall either

its not #1 dueler however or anything like that, but its not as bad as you could think

This post was edited by tudey on Aug 13 2009 04:43pm

well honestly I think it would do worse at D2PK than on bnet.

Shamans have more diminishing returns with gear; they work even better with less than perfect gear matches than at perfect gear matchs. For example, a shaman vs a sorc, both using "0 life skiller" equivalent gear, the shaman will win 10-0. But when you give both 100% perfect gear, the sorc will do much better; it becomes tougher to FHR lock, to break her ES, to stutter her movement with volcano, etc. The point isn't that shamans don't work in "perfect vs perfect", they obviously still do (like you are noticing on d2pk), but imo they actually work even better on battle.net, where gear is more realistic.

Thats one reason I wouldn't recommend it on d2pk but it seems like its doing ok over there O_o.
But yeah especially with allied sins in TvT it can wreck some havoc. I used to use it in TvT a lot but haven't done much lately