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Nov 24 2021 06:29am
Quote (Exokek @ Nov 25 2021 01:10am)
Treachery mercs are pretty fragile until Fade procs unless you're Leap locking council. And then Decrep on Reaper's overrides Gavel's Amplify damage, while its cold damage shatters corpses somewhat frequently so you can't Find Item a % of your kills.

The 50% goldfind from Treach is effectively multiplied by 0.66 since it doesn't apply to Find Item.

The whole point is to remove your GF Barb Merc's reliance on you babysitting his survivability with Leap so you can focus on cursing/popping corpses/telestomping the Super Uniques to get the f out of there asap.

Now that the 80-90s timer was added instead of the initial 60s, it's probably fine to take it slower & use CoT/Goldfind Tiaras to squeeze out a bit more gold per run if you don't want to add LK or Pindle to the run, but that still doesn't favor Treachery or Reaper's Toll.


Do tell us how you spend that time walking to Hratli in order to repair 3 charges of gavel of pain? Must be really efficient... maybe swap it for harmony for even faster run there probably shaved off 20 sec of your run already you welcome.

Also how does your merc die with life leech and the barb bo? Only time I've seen merc die on me is to vipers/deseis/mob of archers

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Quote (addone @ 24 Nov 2021 07:29)
Do tell us how you spend that time walking to Hratli in order to repair 3 charges of gavel of pain? Must be really efficient... maybe swap it for harmony for even faster run there probably shaved off 20 sec of your run already you welcome


Yep. The time you save from not starting A3 & Amp Dmg tripling your DPS is, in fact, more efficient.
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Quote (Exokek @ Nov 25 2021 01:49am)
Yep. The time you save from not starting A3 & Amp Dmg tripling your DPS is, in fact, more efficient.


OK so you are not a complete retard. But walking to Hablu is time lost when you can be 1/2 through your run without repairs
Also didn't know that amp triples your damage with 100% I must of missed math class

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Quote (addone @ 24 Nov 2021 07:55)
OK so you are not a complete retard. But walking to Hablu is time lost when you can be 1/2 through your run without repairs


I outline the specific routine in the guide. It's really not that hard.

TP A3
Stash
WP to A4
Repair
Log out remake

A full run goes 45-55 seconds with stash & repairs included. Fastest I've gotten was 32s vs. a super clean Council spawn with no shitty affixes. I used to have to wait 5-15s before remaking when the minimum timer was 60s.

Now that they bumped up the timer to 80s you have even more wiggle room, and it may be correct to replace the Merc's Helm with something like a 3os Tiara of Wealth with 40ed/30goldfind to squeeze more out of each individual run.

Just need to keep at least one source of life leech, between eBOTD or Andy/CoT or CoH.


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Also didn't know that amp triples your damage with 100% I must of missed math class

Yes. Phys Res in Hell is 50%.
No Curse, 100 damage becomes 50.
Decrep reduces it to 0%, 100 damage becomes 100.
Amp Damage makes it -50%, 100 damage becomes 150.

You get triple damage with Amp Damage relative to a no curse setup.

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Quote (Exokek @ Nov 25 2021 02:04am)
I outline the specific routine in the guide. It's really not that hard.

TP A3
Stash
WP to A4
Repair
Log out remake

A full run goes 45-55 seconds with stash & repairs included. Fastest I've gotten was 32s vs. a super clean Council spawn with no shitty affixes. I used to have to wait 5-15s efore remaking when the minimum timer was 60s.

Now that they bumped up the timer to 80s you have even more wiggle room, and it may be correct to replace the Merc's Helm with something like a 3os Tiara of Wealth with 40ed/30goldfind to squeeze more out of each individual run.

Just need to keep at least one source of life leech, between eBOTD or Andy/CoT or CoH.


With reapers you can replace Andy's with a circ can't do that with arioc's. Save time and gold on repairs, save time walking with vigor (harmony) instead of gavel in between runs.

Quote (Exokek @ Nov 25 2021 02:04am)

Yes. Phys Res in Hell is 50%.
No Curse, 100 damage becomes 50.
Decrep reduces it to 0%, 100 damage becomes 100.
Amp Damage makes it -50%, 100 damage becomes 150.

You get triple damage with Amp Damage relative to a no curse setup.


You only do 50% more damage then decrep not x3

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Quote (addone @ 24 Nov 2021 08:11)
With reapers you can replace Andy's with a circ can't do that with arioc's. Save time and gold on repairs, save time walking with vigor (harmony) instead of gavel in between runs.



You only do 50% more damage then decrep not x3


Decrep doubles your damage.
Amp Damage triples your damage.

Pick one, I guess.

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With reapers you can replace Andy's with a circ can't do that with arioc's. Save time and gold on repairs, save time walking with vigor (harmony) instead of gavel in between runs.


If you have the budget for a 3os Circ of Wealth you should be on eBOTD over Reaper's anyway.

With Arioc's + a circlet you can either Amn the Arioc's or use CoH (overkill). I use a CoH/Arioc's/3os setup right now but I can swap into eBOTD/Fort if I want more LL.

Again, Reaper's WILL CLEAR Hell Trav.
It'll just waste corpses, and be worse DPS than Arioc's or eBOTD + Gavel by a long shot.

Maybe relevant:



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Quote (addone @ Nov 24 2021 06:19am)
more and faster damage with more gold doesnt give you faster clear? wow it must be backwards today


I've ran both and ariocs is way more powerful
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Quote (Exokek @ Nov 24 2021 08:34am)
Decrep doubles your damage.
Amp Damage triples your damage.

Pick one, I guess.



If you have the budget for a 3os Circ of Wealth you should be on eBOTD over Reaper's anyway.

With Arioc's + a circlet you can either Amn the Arioc's or use CoH (overkill). I use a CoH/Arioc's/3os setup right now but I can swap into eBOTD/Fort if I want more LL.

Again, Reaper's WILL CLEAR Hell Trav.
It'll just waste corpses, and be worse DPS than Arioc's or eBOTD + Gavel by a long shot.

Maybe relevant:

https://i.imgur.com/DSNFrlX.png


Bro I thought reapers was better too...then I tried ariocs....way better. Great guide.. let the haters hate.
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Quote (Guelli21 @ Nov 24 2021 11:57am)
Bro I thought reapers was better too...then I tried ariocs....way better. Great guide.. let the haters hate.


Fort while nice for dps, its just as bad as reapers for chance to shatter. should avoid both, coh is a viable option if you need that extra dps and ll, hades is meh if you need the ias etc. There comes to a point where you merc will just use wealth as end game due to the sheer dps/damage from weapon to clear p1

Also most play p1 to gold find, only time you run p7+ if you were baaling

This post was edited by Competitive on Nov 24 2021 11:06am
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Quote (Competitive @ Nov 24 2021 12:05pm)
Fort while nice for dps, its just as bad as reapers for chance to shatter. should avoid both, coh is a viable option if you need that extra dps and ll, hades is meh if you need the ias etc. There comes to a point where you merc will just use wealth as end game due to the sheer dps/damage from weapon to clear p1

Also most play p1 to gold find, only time you run p7+ if you were baaling


How does it shatter corpses?
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