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Jul 16 2009 03:57pm
great guide, wish I could duel it with my old sorcy.
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Quote (Redyps @ Thu, Jul 16 2009, 05:46pm)
Why can't everyone make their guides well thought out?

I don't have this character, nor do I plan on making one, but now I know exactly what they are and how to play for and against them.

You explained everything amazingly.


appreciate it. thanks :)
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Quote (Azn Masta @ Thu, Jul 16 2009, 01:33pm)
thanks lol



Taken from the 2nd paragraph in the introduction. Obvious you have not read any of this guide and is simply trying to flame it for no logical reason. Your 80% warn proves my reasoning is correct



In fact, you can start noticing the difference pretty soon:
93 and under = vt is better
94-95 = about the same
96+ = tv is better

im too lazy to make a math and dno how many points u will be missing into smite but this 800 extra foh dmg is not worth crippling the build, its 22 extra dmg vs 85res char (or whisp user), I would take 100 more smite dmg any day
btw fcr on vt is overrated lol, its nice to have high fcr vs sorcs/necs/hdins but vs rest 0 is ok

This post was edited by ShipIt on Jul 16 2009 04:25pm
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Jul 16 2009 04:24pm
Quote (ShipIt @ Thu, Jul 16 2009, 11:22pm)
im too lazy to make a math and dno how many points u will be missing into smite but this 800 extra foh dmg is not worth crippling the build, its  22 extra dmg vs 85res char (or whisp user), I would take 100 more smite dmg any day
btw fcr on vt is overrated lol


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Jul 16 2009 04:27pm
Quote (ShipIt @ Thu, Jul 16 2009, 05:22pm)
im too lazy to make a math and dno how many points u will be missing into smite but this 800 extra foh dmg is not worth crippling the build, its 22 extra dmg vs 85res char (or whisp user), I would take 100 more smite dmg any day
btw fcr on vt is overrated lol, its nice to have high fcr vs sorcs/necs/hdins but vs rest 0 is ok


If i was trying to Tele Stomp id like to have those extra frames Fcr is a must
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Jul 16 2009 04:33pm
Quote (ShipIt @ Thu, Jul 16 2009, 06:22pm)
im too lazy to make a math and dno how many points u will be missing into smite but this 800 extra foh dmg is not worth crippling the build, its  22 extra dmg vs 85res char (or whisp user), I would take 100 more smite dmg any day
btw fcr on vt is overrated lol, its nice to have high fcr vs sorcs/necs/hdins but vs rest 0 is ok


its an extra 100 damage over 10 hits... thats like an extra 10 damage per hit give or take.

i dunno, not everyone has full stack 85% res to counter foh (and if they do they lose dr to get it most of the time) but the minor smite damage wont help all that much, think about it, if you can catch someone to smite them.... 3.3k smite, 3.2k smite - they're still screwed.

but in vt v vt duels that 5.6k foh vs 4.8k foh makes a big difference, just like the smite damage makes a big difference. and since that duel is the only one that really matters regarding the small boost in smite damage, i think a good vt with 3.2k smite and 5.6kfoh > one with 3.3ksmite and 4.8kfoh - as long as they keep holy freeze up and just weaken the other guy down

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Quote (Azn Masta @ Thu, Jul 16 2009, 10:33pm)
its an extra 100 damage over 10 hits... thats like an extra 10 damage per hit give or take.

i dunno, not everyone has full stack 85% res to counter foh (and if they do they lose dr to get it most of the time) but the minor smite damage wont help all that much, think about it, if you can catch someone to smite them.... 3.3k smite, 3.2k smite - they're still screwed.

but in vt v vt duels that 5.6k foh vs 4.8k foh makes a big difference, just like the smite damage makes a big difference. and since that duel is the only one that really matters regarding the small boost in smite damage, i think a good vt with 3.2k smite and 5.6kfoh > one with 3.3ksmite and 4.8kfoh - as long as they keep holy freeze up and just weaken the other guy down

800 extra foh dmg = 8 skills which could be spent into smite
i tested it once if i remember right 1smite lvl adds extra 10dmg vs 50dr char
thats 80 extra dmg per smite (160 vs 0 dr opponents) its huge difference

This post was edited by ShipIt on Jul 16 2009 04:55pm
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Jul 16 2009 05:54pm
Nice guide In my opinion beside 2 things

First of all you're gloves are fake since CB will only spwan with Life leech.

Second. I've been playing V/t for at least 4 years now and Fcr is not needed at all, I've been chain locking ppl non stop with 0% fcr

Other than that it's a nice guide (I got a blog with my V/t in my profile.. I got more life but less Foh dmg because I went all smite)
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Jul 16 2009 06:01pm
Quote (ShipIt @ Thu, Jul 16 2009, 06:51pm)
800 extra foh dmg = 8 skills which could be spent into smite
i tested it once if i remember  right 1smite lvl adds extra 10dmg  vs 50dr char
thats 80 extra dmg per smite (160 vs 0 dr opponents) its huge difference


smite is only 5 points away from being maxed with this setup...

Quote (Joe_Spy @ Thu, Jul 16 2009, 07:54pm)
Nice guide In my opinion beside 2 things

First of all you're gloves are fake since CB will only spwan with Life leech.

Second. I've been playing V/t for at least 4 years now and Fcr is not needed at all, I've been chain locking ppl non stop with 0% fcr

Other than that it's a nice guide (I got a blog with my V/t in my profile.. I got more life but less Foh dmg because I went all smite)


1) i am aware that the gloves in the guide are not real.
2) i do not own them nor does anyone on real realms. the closest gloves to those that actually do exist are however owned by me though.
3) the whole purpose of posting the other gloves was to show everyone what the "best" possibility was so they know what to look for...
4) your build isnt bad, but you would do poor in vt vs vt with that kinda setup cuz no pb etc...
5) heres my real gloves



This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 16 2009 06:16pm
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Jul 16 2009 06:51pm
Dmg comparison
at lvl 96

12smite 20 hs(yourbuild) vs 20 smite 20 hs(Vt build) using your gear(15+sk and 11pc)


(Shield Base + Holy Shield bonus + Grief bonus) * (1 +[ Smite %ED bonus + STR %ED bonus + Fanaticism %ED bonus + off-weapon %ED bonus/100]) = Total damage

12/20
(46 + 164 + 400) * (1 +[ 570 + 196 + 628]/100) = 610*14.94=9113.4

20/20
(46 + 164 + 400) * (1 +[690 + 196 + 628]/100) = 610*16.14=9845.4

9845.4*.17=1673.718*.5=839.859
9113.4*.17=1549.278*.5=774.639

839.9-774.6=~ 65.3 dmg per smite

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