Quote (MoXeR @ 30 Jul 2011 07:47)

y ur right ofc but my point was underlining once again that the 3 max dmg from the scs isnt a dramatical issue on this build
the best solution is pushing the dmg via claws and then fixing the ar problem with the inventory combined with visi to get a good average ar on each claw

y but i love hero editor cause you can look at the builds them self and see the outcomes

btw sry for showing that claw w/o of saying that its urs
its the best for hybrids/ghost vs all (exept ghost/baba) that exists on eu

Quote (reyrol @ 30 Jul 2011 01:13)

i use it on hybsin, where traplayspeed, like you say, matters a lot = trap damage output

the only drawback of using wsm buged wf + runic (fastest claw combo + highest average damage fools claw possible btw) is that you got fools as offhand and you loose the first free hitcheck with fools, but get it with chaos (lower ar & dmg if dont have zbug) instead.

wf + runics is a way to go for best average damage + speed, but you loose the intital free hitcheck, just that

BUT

since there arent zbug runic chaos claw, unless u wanna use eth runic chaos with dura like KD does > bm, the zbug chaos suwayyah + fast fools claw is better ( specially an eth feral like mine )

2x eth claw FTW, imo theres no discussion about it, is there?

@moxer

don't try things in heroeditor vs monsters, try them @ open bnet vs chars instead, believe me ^^

http://i51.tinypic.com/28m2aw.jpg

Quote (Tails chao @ 30 Jul 2011 17:26)

You can use wf+runic and get 9 fpa without wsm bugging, that's when that set-up is actually good (since like you said, it provides the strong possible initial hitcheck), if you have to wsm bug them I wouldn't bother using that set-up since the primary claw is way too weak.

Quote (reyrol @ 30 Jul 2011 15:08)

yes, thats why i say more GC's might be as good as more sc's, cuz u nn BER rune and can put dmg jool instead, also saves skills

THE CLAW I'VE POSTED IS OBVIUSLY FAKE (ive recieved a couple of pm's ^^ )  just meant to show what for me is best possible ghost mainhander

Quote (reyrol @ 30 Jul 2011 17:35)

ye well
you need 89%ias in thats case

80/30 helm
+
20%ias HL
+
40% MUST on rare WF

that 30%ias wf from kd doesnt work in that case, needs wsm bug

but still there aint zbug runics so zbug chaos + eth fast claws > in average damage, although you can't wsg confortably since you have to wsm bug again.

in my hybsin i use:

1-wsm buged chaos suwayah + rare ferals ( + 10%ias from bb + 15%ias from helm to stack ias vs BB / arach at 9fpa )

2-chaos runics + rare ferals (+10%ias from bb + 15%ias from helm to stack ias vs bb/arach at 9fpa ) > when i need to wsg out VS assa / some fb's and some other chars

both chaos 3ls 2wb 1df

http://i53.tinypic.com/29xzyu8.jpg

regular speeds
http://i39.tinypic.com/osalq0.jpg
wsm buged speeds
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5193/wsmbuggingqd9.png

Quote (tudey @ Jul 30 2011 12:39pm)

hmm that's kinda a good point, extra 40 ed jewel is pretty cool damage boost on ghost that doesn't have a lot of offweapon ed to start with. or you could use 30ed fhr stats jewel or something too

Quote (Tails chao @ Jul 30 2011 05:53pm)

30/60/9 str/xx jewels are cool, lets you str bug and gives good dmg/ar.

Quote (Azn Masta @ 30 Jul 2011 23:04)

Can anyone test this out in hero editor for me? I don't wanna blow a few hundred to test something that might not be a's good.

Btw remember to do it so that you can wear dancers with strength from 2x 30ed/ar/str jewels in circlet. Gface has 15str on it so 1x jewel in gface will give you enough str