also you should apply the chance es has to block attacks as well as the chilling armor you cast. if you really want to get techincal.

yes all those are applied after es. my mistake.

go read the other posts. less worked up. less spamming refresh on your botton waiting for my reply.
too much theory craft.

iso you maken a sorc on d2pk

This post was edited by UnEvilManiac on Apr 30 2009 02:20am

you haven't made a single valid point, doing more damage is way better than having 5k mana instead of 4k.

I'd use dol, pskull, and mal over p sapph. But facet usually.

too much theorycraft cause you can't understand the math?

es block attacks? lol

chilling armor doesn't block attacks either btw, it's just a graphical glitch

This post was edited by simon311A on Apr 30 2009 02:26am

i havn't made a single valid point? first off to get back on topic i was talking cold vs cold .you should go read my other posts before you got into this convo. being that iceblast at max does 9k keeping the needed 105bp with 9skill gcs. you can do the penility.

sence the dmg is lower in cold vs cold more mana is > more dmg. blizz doesn't do enough dmg to take a sorc with 5.4k mana down in 2 shots. sorry... then the chance of it accually breaking energy shield is very minimal due to the cast delay on it.

orb? lets not go into that underpowered skill. it has its uses such as killing a druids wolfs or keeping a zon in dodge/evade lock but other then that its not going to do much to a decent character.

ice blast is the main attack in cold vs cold. as well as in cold vs any other type of sorc.

due to the fact that a fire sorc has range to get closer to one you need the most mana possible. your going to send them into a fhr lock should you hit them anyways. so as long as that happens you dont need the 9k dmg and you can survive with a 7k ice blast.

being as cold vs cold it takes a good 8-9 shots to accually kill a sorc of equal value the xtra mana beats out dmg. i've tried it as a 9gc user and i lost to the 5 gc user with life/mana scs on.

yes i made a mistake with the es/absorb thing. but i'm a little bit annoyed that i'm getting bashed by someone who doesn't agree with usen facets anyways. on a fire/lit sorc. i dont agree with usen facets on a cold sorc because you need survivability with the lack of dmg just to catch the people woh can run away and spam at you. you might get hit you might not. but it also helps in escapen.

i'm sorry i dont know what to tell you but i can get my friend on his 24k fb sorc and i can get on my sorc and i live taken 4-5 shots. i'll find the youtube link tomorrow.

you like regn i like xtra mana. you cant say which works better because it works for each of us differently.

i think that facets on any sorc is a waste of a socket. you presented different opionions to the facets. you enjoy facets i dont agree with it.

for chaseability(maken new words up as i go) i use psaphs. for being able to out tank another cold sorc. i use psaphs.
the fhr action is the same with facets with full gcs as it is without facets as it is without full gcs.
done correctly it requires the other sorc to walk down away from you. if they survive the first several hits.


now i'm going to go to bed. night.

I never said ice blast was bad, ice blast sorcs are quite good svs.

In a pure 95es cold vs cold, p sapphs would let you tank longer yes. But 95 es sorc should not be played to tank, a low es blizzer with stack would out tank you anyway..

The main point is that in any serious dueling situation (clan war, dueling ladder, fg bet, idk), a 95 es sorc will run to regen after being hit at all.

You can take 4-5 fbs, that is due to life, not mana.

This post was edited by simon311A on Apr 30 2009 02:40am

If I were to make a pure cold vs cold sorc, I'd use:

95 es

facet fathom
dol nw
dol viper (if the rep is overkill, i'd use facets)
fletch
dungo, maybe arach or trang belt (on d2pk, definitely arach + 10fcr rep ammy)
soj
soj
frostburns
blood boots, maybe mana boots
spirit

cold sorcs aren't really ideal for svs though

This post was edited by simon311A on Apr 30 2009 03:19am

UnEvilManiac, seriously, gtfo with your svs ideas. first, this is a sorc vs all build. secondly, cold sorc are the weaker charactere at sorc vs sorc. sorc vs sorc is basically fb vs fb or maybe fb vs light but w/e, cold are low for svs.
well, at europe we don't have bmana's, still, you can achieve 4k mana ( easy ) to 4,8~k mana ( with perf stuff : hard ). so stop talking bullshit about east and unreachable 4kmana with my build.
contrary to other sorcs sks and facets are important because it ups dmg and pierce. ( @ fb/lit it ups only dmg ). so, again, stfu with your psaphir. , period.
finaly, you say blizz isnt that usufull @ svs ? but rofl, crap theorycraft, nling a fb ( for example ) when having a cold is like suicide. you better nl blizz and run away or even nl blizz, and then, tele up to the opponent and spam ib (blizz + ib nice fhr lock ).

so wat we see .. ? you are theorycrafter telling shit in my thread.

This post was edited by maximus_le_roi on Apr 30 2009 09:19am

bump

bump

bump

east? who said i am currently on east?

cold sorcs arn't that great for svs yeah. but they still can hold their own.........
i never said your build didn't have 4k mana. i said that was low as hell.
i dont believe i said blizz was never to be used in svs i said its not as good as ice blast. which case ice blast > blizz in svs.
nl'n a fb isn't suicide. if you do it fast enough and beat them to the lock. clearly your not fast enough from what you said.

yeah blizz/ib is a decent fhr lock. i use it as well. read the post dont just post out of hate.



no they arn't ideal for svs.

fletch doesn't exist on west. so a 2/15 +100mana ammulet works well being able to have a ormus setup switch. to get more dmg vs druids/hdins. or being able to switch out the nw's for a 3/life/mana circ.

spider/sojs ebug 35/112 spirit.
tri res boots. because i like having my res max'd for the 5% of dmg in svs that goes to life.
frosties.
fathom soc'd with a 9/15 or a facet.
viper/ormus with psaph
nw w/ psaph
3/20/2 with 2psaphs
3/life/2 with psaphs.
charms stacked 20/17's sence bmamas dont exist on west.
5 skills 1 fhr.
enough sc's to get the fhr 86% req.

ni-night going to hinton alberta tomorrow. wont be back for a couple of days.

This post was edited by UnEvilManiac on Apr 30 2009 10:14pm