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whats the ias tables? is beast and 34+ griefz enough to hit the highest bp? or is highlords needed and a 40/15 arreats.
anyways arreats>coa on barb


arreats is garbage


no ur garbage olny think decent about coa is dr... u get the same fhr and resis with arreats plus more def ar skills stats etc... ur not bvb or a meele char UR A FUCKING BVC yes helps with windies but they are ez jsut name lock em on tele hit tele away and aviod nados not hard.


you are a fucking idiot. name _one_ single duel where arreats is #1 helm-of-choice. only one. oh you cant? cause there are none. if you ever change your mf-career and actually duel a windy who has played this game for more than three weeks you will use coa or you will die.


I have a gg barb on ladder and I choose arreats... I'll take any challenge if I am pm'd. CoA is a good choice, but I prefer arreats.


East? West? Europe? If you're east I already know you blow. Not a single bvc has touched my druid ft5 this season (despite only 5k life and 5.9k nado... rofl)


West, and lmao @ your statement.
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whats the ias tables? is beast and 34+ griefz enough to hit the highest bp? or is highlords needed and a 40/15 arreats.
anyways arreats>coa on barb


arreats is garbage


no ur garbage olny think decent about coa is dr... u get the same fhr and resis with arreats plus more def ar skills stats etc... ur not bvb or a meele char UR A FUCKING BVC yes helps with windies but they are ez jsut name lock em on tele hit tele away and aviod nados not hard.


you are a fucking idiot. name _one_ single duel where arreats is #1 helm-of-choice. only one. oh you cant? cause there are none. if you ever change your mf-career and actually duel a windy who has played this game for more than three weeks you will use coa or you will die.


I have a gg barb on ladder and I choose arreats... I'll take any challenge if I am pm'd. CoA is a good choice, but I prefer arreats.


East? West? Europe? If you're east I already know you blow. Not a single bvc has touched my druid ft5 this season (despite only 5k life and 5.9k nado... rofl)


West, and lmao @ your statement.


Damn. I would have enjoyed curbstomping your ignorant ass. But at least your "strategy" vs druids is justified, west in general blows.

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it is not a question you illiterate wannabe. it is not my problem that people need everything mouth-feeded. i am right and will continue being so until someone can prove me wrong, which wont happen.


Would you mind tuning up your grammar? Along with that fat picture of what I hope isn't you, it's making me a little sick. It's MOUTH-FED you dumb shit!

Ignorance is not the way to go about this. I am willing to prove you wrong in-game, through a duel. If you don't have a wind druid, possibly you could find a decent one, or someone could volunteer. I know that anything I say will be ignored/irrelevant to how you will respond.


cry about trifles more while being unable to comprehend even the most basic point as well as defend your own stupidity in any logical manner whatsoever. since you seem to lack gray matter i write again:
name _one_ single duel where arreats is #1 helm-of-choice. only one.
what is hard to understand?

and if you insist using arreats vs wind druids you're either completely clueless or just plain dumb. then again you play ladder so no surprise there...


I play arreats in every duel. I switch it up cham'd arreats with ber'd arreats, based on the matchup. I do have a CoA, and I realise its benefits in that it has a high %dr. It's hard to say "name a duel where arreats is the #1 helm-of-choice", since there are so many of them. I will give you a very obvious example, since you don't seem to be very specific: Barb vs. Frozen Orb Sorc.


i almost stopped reading after cham/ber arreats but ok. 08 valk/griffon or even guillaumes is better vs cold sorc. next.


Please give better reasoning behind your statements. I am familiar with the stats of the helms you are listing, but if you want to 'dominate' me with your 'superior intelect', you may want to put a little reasoning into what you are saying.

I will give another example in which arreats is a useful helm: Barb vs. Barb (or are we just dealing with BvC matchups?)


this is a guide for dualwielding barb and i dont take jokers who run around with shield seriously anyway.

i and others have repeated this countless times but people seem either too stupid to get it or they simply refuse accepting that something could be more effective than their precious arreats. here we go again:
1. coa is the optimal helm for pubs. the dr is simply needed vs smite, druids and barbs. period. the loss of dmg/fcr compared to other helmets also forces you to play better which means that you will improve faster.
2. in 1v1 duels there are always better choices than arreats. vs sorc/nec/trap an extra cast frame is generally preferable over more damage, something guillaumes adds quite a bit more of than arreats anyway.

i dont know your preferred setups but no matter how you look at it arreats (and especially ber/chamed) is a horrible waste of stash space.
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it is not a question you illiterate wannabe. it is not my problem that people need everything mouth-feeded. i am right and will continue being so until someone can prove me wrong, which wont happen.


Would you mind tuning up your grammar? Along with that fat picture of what I hope isn't you, it's making me a little sick. It's MOUTH-FED you dumb shit!

Ignorance is not the way to go about this. I am willing to prove you wrong in-game, through a duel. If you don't have a wind druid, possibly you could find a decent one, or someone could volunteer. I know that anything I say will be ignored/irrelevant to how you will respond.


cry about trifles more while being unable to comprehend even the most basic point as well as defend your own stupidity in any logical manner whatsoever. since you seem to lack gray matter i write again:
name _one_ single duel where arreats is #1 helm-of-choice. only one.
what is hard to understand?

and if you insist using arreats vs wind druids you're either completely clueless or just plain dumb. then again you play ladder so no surprise there...


I play arreats in every duel. I switch it up cham'd arreats with ber'd arreats, based on the matchup. I do have a CoA, and I realise its benefits in that it has a high %dr. It's hard to say "name a duel where arreats is the #1 helm-of-choice", since there are so many of them. I will give you a very obvious example, since you don't seem to be very specific: Barb vs. Frozen Orb Sorc.


i almost stopped reading after cham/ber arreats but ok. 08 valk/griffon or even guillaumes is better vs cold sorc. next.


Please give better reasoning behind your statements. I am familiar with the stats of the helms you are listing, but if you want to 'dominate' me with your 'superior intelect', you may want to put a little reasoning into what you are saying.

I will give another example in which arreats is a useful helm: Barb vs. Barb (or are we just dealing with BvC matchups?)


this is a guide for dualwielding barb and i dont take jokers who run around with shield seriously anyway.

i and others have repeated this countless times but people seem either too stupid to get it or they simply refuse accepting that something could be more effective than their precious arreats. here we go again:
1. coa is the optimal helm for pubs. the dr is simply needed vs smite, druids and barbs. period. the loss of dmg/fcr compared to other helmets also forces you to play better which means that you will improve faster.
2. in 1v1 duels there are always better choices than arreats. vs sorc/nec/trap an extra cast frame is generally preferable over more damage, something guillaumes adds quite a bit more of than arreats anyway.

i dont know your preferred setups but no matter how you look at it arreats (and especially ber/chamed) is a horrible waste of stash space.


arreats is best against pure hdins
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it is not a question you illiterate wannabe. it is not my problem that people need everything mouth-feeded. i am right and will continue being so until someone can prove me wrong, which wont happen.


Would you mind tuning up your grammar? Along with that fat picture of what I hope isn't you, it's making me a little sick. It's MOUTH-FED you dumb shit!

Ignorance is not the way to go about this. I am willing to prove you wrong in-game, through a duel. If you don't have a wind druid, possibly you could find a decent one, or someone could volunteer. I know that anything I say will be ignored/irrelevant to how you will respond.


cry about trifles more while being unable to comprehend even the most basic point as well as defend your own stupidity in any logical manner whatsoever. since you seem to lack gray matter i write again:
name _one_ single duel where arreats is #1 helm-of-choice. only one.
what is hard to understand?

and if you insist using arreats vs wind druids you're either completely clueless or just plain dumb. then again you play ladder so no surprise there...


I play arreats in every duel. I switch it up cham'd arreats with ber'd arreats, based on the matchup. I do have a CoA, and I realise its benefits in that it has a high %dr. It's hard to say "name a duel where arreats is the #1 helm-of-choice", since there are so many of them. I will give you a very obvious example, since you don't seem to be very specific: Barb vs. Frozen Orb Sorc.


i almost stopped reading after cham/ber arreats but ok. 08 valk/griffon or even guillaumes is better vs cold sorc. next.


Please give better reasoning behind your statements. I am familiar with the stats of the helms you are listing, but if you want to 'dominate' me with your 'superior intelect', you may want to put a little reasoning into what you are saying.

I will give another example in which arreats is a useful helm: Barb vs. Barb (or are we just dealing with BvC matchups?)


this is a guide for dualwielding barb and i dont take jokers who run around with shield seriously anyway.

i and others have repeated this countless times but people seem either too stupid to get it or they simply refuse accepting that something could be more effective than their precious arreats. here we go again:
1. coa is the optimal helm for pubs. the dr is simply needed vs smite, druids and barbs. period. the loss of dmg/fcr compared to other helmets also forces you to play better which means that you will improve faster.
2. in 1v1 duels there are always better choices than arreats. vs sorc/nec/trap an extra cast frame is generally preferable over more damage, something guillaumes adds quite a bit more of than arreats anyway.

i dont know your preferred setups but no matter how you look at it arreats (and especially ber/chamed) is a horrible waste of stash space.


arreats is best against pure hdins


Only because of the +Dex needed to use Widomaker while retaining high Dex (btw Hsarus + ravens fix this mostly) and the +15% IAS.
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it is not a question you illiterate wannabe. it is not my problem that people need everything mouth-feeded. i am right and will continue being so until someone can prove me wrong, which wont happen.


Would you mind tuning up your grammar? Along with that fat picture of what I hope isn't you, it's making me a little sick. It's MOUTH-FED you dumb shit!

Ignorance is not the way to go about this. I am willing to prove you wrong in-game, through a duel. If you don't have a wind druid, possibly you could find a decent one, or someone could volunteer. I know that anything I say will be ignored/irrelevant to how you will respond.


cry about trifles more while being unable to comprehend even the most basic point as well as defend your own stupidity in any logical manner whatsoever. since you seem to lack gray matter i write again:
name _one_ single duel where arreats is #1 helm-of-choice. only one.
what is hard to understand?

and if you insist using arreats vs wind druids you're either completely clueless or just plain dumb. then again you play ladder so no surprise there...


I play arreats in every duel. I switch it up cham'd arreats with ber'd arreats, based on the matchup. I do have a CoA, and I realise its benefits in that it has a high %dr. It's hard to say "name a duel where arreats is the #1 helm-of-choice", since there are so many of them. I will give you a very obvious example, since you don't seem to be very specific: Barb vs. Frozen Orb Sorc.


i almost stopped reading after cham/ber arreats but ok. 08 valk/griffon or even guillaumes is better vs cold sorc. next.


Please give better reasoning behind your statements. I am familiar with the stats of the helms you are listing, but if you want to 'dominate' me with your 'superior intelect', you may want to put a little reasoning into what you are saying.

I will give another example in which arreats is a useful helm: Barb vs. Barb (or are we just dealing with BvC matchups?)


this is a guide for dualwielding barb and i dont take jokers who run around with shield seriously anyway.

i and others have repeated this countless times but people seem either too stupid to get it or they simply refuse accepting that something could be more effective than their precious arreats. here we go again:
1. coa is the optimal helm for pubs. the dr is simply needed vs smite, druids and barbs. period. the loss of dmg/fcr compared to other helmets also forces you to play better which means that you will improve faster.
2. in 1v1 duels there are always better choices than arreats. vs sorc/nec/trap an extra cast frame is generally preferable over more damage, something guillaumes adds quite a bit more of than arreats anyway.

i dont know your preferred setups but no matter how you look at it arreats (and especially ber/chamed) is a horrible waste of stash space.


arreats is best against pure hdins


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it is not a question you illiterate wannabe. it is not my problem that people need everything mouth-feeded. i am right and will continue being so until someone can prove me wrong, which wont happen.


Would you mind tuning up your grammar? Along with that fat picture of what I hope isn't you, it's making me a little sick. It's MOUTH-FED you dumb shit!

Ignorance is not the way to go about this. I am willing to prove you wrong in-game, through a duel. If you don't have a wind druid, possibly you could find a decent one, or someone could volunteer. I know that anything I say will be ignored/irrelevant to how you will respond.


cry about trifles more while being unable to comprehend even the most basic point as well as defend your own stupidity in any logical manner whatsoever. since you seem to lack gray matter i write again:
name _one_ single duel where arreats is #1 helm-of-choice. only one.
what is hard to understand?

and if you insist using arreats vs wind druids you're either completely clueless or just plain dumb. then again you play ladder so no surprise there...


I play arreats in every duel. I switch it up cham'd arreats with ber'd arreats, based on the matchup. I do have a CoA, and I realise its benefits in that it has a high %dr. It's hard to say "name a duel where arreats is the #1 helm-of-choice", since there are so many of them. I will give you a very obvious example, since you don't seem to be very specific: Barb vs. Frozen Orb Sorc.


i almost stopped reading after cham/ber arreats but ok. 08 valk/griffon or even guillaumes is better vs cold sorc. next.


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I believe Arreats is semi-useful, but the problem with the helm is that it has a mix of mods that make it the best barb helm yes, but it's a rather weak all-around helm. However, I believe that it's more useful that Morotjos thinks, but that may just be the West realm talking.

DR is absolutely needed against druids. If you decide to use an Arreats, you're basically deciding to play at half your HP, because the druid will drain your life bulb stupidly fast without sufficient DR. Either CoA or 08 Gaze should work.

CoA is the helm for pubs, I'm not sure why this is an issue. It has +1 skill, DR, FHR, and resists. It's like Arreats but much better suited for multiple opponents.

I like the idea of using an 08 valk with a Lo/jah/whatever against certain characters, but not everyone will have access [to at least a perm one, ty mass duping spree] to one, so Arreats would be the default choice. It's cheap and easy to get, and it's very effective for its cost. But if you have your res/damage/ar taken care of, a 08 Valk can possibly be useful.

I use Arreats against pure Hdins, but that's only because I need the extra dex from Arreats to let me use the Widow. Aside from Arreats, what would you use against Hdins, Morotjos?
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I believe Arreats is semi-useful, but the problem with the helm is that it has a mix of mods that make it the best barb helm yes, but it's a rather weak all-around helm. However, I believe that it's more useful that Morotjos thinks, but that may just be the West realm talking.

DR is absolutely needed against druids. If you decide to use an Arreats, you're basically deciding to play at half your HP, because the druid will drain your life bulb stupidly fast without sufficient DR. Either CoA or 08 Gaze should work.

CoA is the helm for pubs, I'm not sure why this is an issue. It has +1 skill, DR, FHR, and resists. It's like Arreats but much better suited for multiple opponents.

I like the idea of using an 08 valk with a Lo/jah/whatever against certain characters, but not everyone will have access [to at least a perm one, ty mass duping spree] to one, so Arreats would be the default choice. It's cheap and easy to get, and it's very effective for its cost. But if you have your res/damage/ar taken care of, a 08 Valk can possibly be useful.

I use Arreats against pure Hdins, but that's only because I need the extra dex from Arreats to let me use the Widow. Aside from Arreats, what would you use against Hdins, Morotjos?


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I believe Arreats is semi-useful, but the problem with the helm is that it has a mix of mods that make it the best barb helm yes, but it's a rather weak all-around helm. However, I believe that it's more useful that Morotjos thinks, but that may just be the West realm talking.

DR is absolutely needed against druids. If you decide to use an Arreats, you're basically deciding to play at half your HP, because the druid will drain your life bulb stupidly fast without sufficient DR. Either CoA or 08 Gaze should work.

CoA is the helm for pubs, I'm not sure why this is an issue. It has +1 skill, DR, FHR, and resists. It's like Arreats but much better suited for multiple opponents.

I like the idea of using an 08 valk with a Lo/jah/whatever against certain characters, but not everyone will have access [to at least a perm one, ty mass duping spree] to one, so Arreats would be the default choice. It's cheap and easy to get, and it's very effective for its cost. But if you have your res/damage/ar taken care of, a 08 Valk can possibly be useful.

I use Arreats against pure Hdins, but that's only because I need the extra dex from Arreats to let me use the Widow. Aside from Arreats, what would you use against Hdins, Morotjos?


of course i exaggerated to make people angry. i muled my arreats away though since i almost never used it.
i sold my 08 valk since i'm 90% sure of that it would poof sooner or later. i prefer griffons vs most casters, or guill if i want damage. griffons isn't that bad compared to valk, apart from the looks the only thing i miss is the frw and one more hit-recovery frame. res/dmg/ar is not an issue vs casters, you know that.
guillaumes is awesome vs pallies and the obvious choice vs hammerdins. the cb is very effective vs 5k+ life chars and 15% deadly strike > arreats by far.
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