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Nov 17 2017 04:03pm
Quote (triunes @ Nov 17 2017 01:54pm)
100 * 3 = 300 = trupple


But if DR takes it to 50, and then you get amped, it's 50 * 3 = 150 so yes, it is tripple.

Quote (triunes @ Nov 17 2017 01:54pm)
100 * 3 = 300 = trupple


Why do you insist on not taking DR formulas into account?

This post was edited by Vilify on Nov 17 2017 04:03pm
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Quote (lilith0 @ Nov 11 2017 02:29am)
that's wrong? Then what would you choose?
i gave 2 scenarios, 1) the boss has 50%dr, 2) the boss has 0%dr
in scenario 1 (against 50%dr), would you take amp or dmg times 2.5?
in scenario 2 (against 0%dr), would you take amp or dmg times 2.5?


attack dmg = 100 // monster has 50% dr // effective dmg = 50
If choose Amp -> Triples attack from 50 to 150 :) winner
If choose 2.5x -> 50 x 2.5 = 125

attack dmg = 100 // monster has 0% dr // effective dmg = 100
If choose Amp -> Doubles attack from 100 to 200
If choose 2.5x -> 100 x 2.5 = 250 :) winner

conclusions
Nice little riddle. Shows that more dmg reduction always means less dmg taken (ignoring exceeding certain caps), and that the effectiveness of amp is most noticeable on 50 %DR builds.

100dmg attack
0% DR = 100dmg -> with amp 200dmg (x2.00)
10% DR = 90dmg -> with amp 190dmg (x2.11)
20% DR = 80dmg -> with amp 180dmg (x2.25)
30% DR = 70dmg -> with amp 170dmg (x2.43)
40% DR = 60dmg -> with amp 160dmg (x2.67)
50% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 150dmg (x3.00)
60% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 140dmg (x2.80)
70% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 130dmg (x2.60)
80% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 120dmg (x2.40)
90% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 110dmg (x2.20)
100% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 100dmg (x2.00)
110% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 90dmg (x1.80)
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Quote (phaedrus420 @ Nov 19 2017 07:39am)
0% DR = 100dmg -> with amp 200dmg (x2.00)
10% DR = 90dmg -> with amp 190dmg (x2.11)
20% DR = 80dmg -> with amp 180dmg (x2.25)
30% DR = 70dmg -> with amp 170dmg (x2.43)
40% DR = 60dmg -> with amp 160dmg (x2.67)
50% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 150dmg (x3.00)
60% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 140dmg (x2.80)
70% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 130dmg (x2.60)
80% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 120dmg (x2.40)
90% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 110dmg (x2.20)
100% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 100dmg (x2.00)
110% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 90dmg (x1.80)


since the situation implied PVM:
60% DR = 40dmg -> with amp 140dmg
...
90% DR = 10dmg -> with amp 110dmg
100% DR = 0dmg -> with amp 20dmg
110% DR = 0dmg -> with amp 10dmg
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Quote (lilith0 @ Nov 19 2017 02:13am)
since the situation implied PVM:
60% DR = 40dmg -> with amp 140dmg
...
90% DR = 10dmg -> with amp 110dmg
100% DR = 0dmg -> with amp 20dmg
110% DR = 0dmg -> with amp 10dmg


Good point! I forgot the problem did start as pvm. In which case your chart is correct. :thumbsup:

Quote (phaedrus420 @ Nov 18 2017 10:39pm)
conclusions
....the effectiveness of amp is most noticeable on 50 %DR builds.

100dmg attack
0% DR = 100dmg -> with amp 200dmg (x2.00)
10% DR = 90dmg -> with amp 190dmg (x2.11)
20% DR = 80dmg -> with amp 180dmg (x2.25)
30% DR = 70dmg -> with amp 170dmg (x2.43)
40% DR = 60dmg -> with amp 160dmg (x2.67)
50% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 150dmg (x3.00)
60% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 140dmg (x2.80)
70% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 130dmg (x2.60)
80% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 120dmg (x2.40)
90% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 110dmg (x2.20)
100% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 100dmg (x2.00)
110% DR = 50dmg -> with amp 90dmg (x1.80)


I made this chart for pvp though, because the real purpose of my thread was sparked from a curiosity of how much a player stacks DR vs how much more impactful amp becomes.

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Quote (kronosHardcore @ 17 Nov 2017 22:34)
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150/50 = 3

3 = trupple


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Can the next bafoon arrive so we can bamboozle his soul like triunes?
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