for the record I never said jalal's was better in the "report"

I just made it so painfully obvious that jalal's is better that you are assuming that I am saying that its better because I want it to be. Am I not right? Yeah, I am.

I am right.

It's unbiased information.

This post was edited by Noob_Nova on Jul 21 2010 05:02pm

Oh, i don't take it that personal you know, but i'm pretty sure that 90% of the persons who have followed a little these threads, will enjoy the match (if you stop dodging obviously).

And, no, i don't have to win lottery nor to fuck Pamela Anderson... I'll just list my gear (which is medium, so imagine if i was rich, how awesome this druid could be) :

Vs physical Chars :
Coa BerBer (31dr)
Enigma
Suicide Branch 20-15
Spirit Monarch 35fcr
Arach
TO gloves
eSands 15-15
Amulet 2dru 19fcr 39life
Ring 10fcr 17str 38life 24fr
Ring 10fcr 17str 34life 17lr
Torch
Anni
9x 4xlife Skillers
10x life/res scs
7.6k life / 6k nado / 39dr / 163fcr / 99fhr

Vs non-physical chars :
Pelt 2dru 30fhr 3nado 32life 24fr 21cr (Shael - so 30fhr)
Enigma
Suicide Branch 20-15
Spirit Monarch 35fcr
Arach
TO gloves
eSands 15-15
Amulet 2dru 19fcr 39life
Ring 10fcr 17str 38life 24fr
Ring 10fcr xstr 55life 15lr
Torch
Anni
9x 4xlife Skillers
10x life/res scs
7.8k life / 6.3k nado / 75++@res / 163fcr / 99fhr

Vs Trapsins :
Circlet 2dru 20fcr 30frw (Shael)
Enigma
Suicide Branch 20-15
Spirit Monarch 35fcr
Thundergod
TO gloves
eSands 15-15
Amulet 2dru 19fcr 39life
Ring 10fcr 17str 38life 24fr
Ring 10fcr xstr 55life 15lr
Torch
Anni
9x 4xlife Skillers
10x life/res scs
7.5k life / 6k nado / 85lr / 95frw / 163fcr / 99fhr

This is an example of how to build correctly a druid.
Now, can you tell me when and where could you use the Jalals ? and Against which chars ?
- is it when you need res ? -> You've got enough from the rest of the gear, and if it's not the case, Wizzy is your friend. So not in this case.
- is it when you need dr ? -> since when does Jalals bring dr ... ? So again, not in this case.
- is it when you need max life/ max damage (against Hdins or Necs) ? -> Pelt + jewelery = best

Now please, just explain me when and where anyone would use a Jalals...

e/ And just to avoid any argument regarding a possible MB 99fcr/99fhr setup, it is NOT viable as main setup, so people who wish to use this kind of setup, have it stashed, with the following gear :
Circlet 2dru 20fcr xxdext xxlife mods 1-2socks
Enigma
Hoto
Storm "Eld"
Verdungo
TO gloves
Shadow Dancers
Ring 10fcr 20str 15dext xxmana
Ring 10fcr 15dext 35+life
Amulet 2dru 19+fcr xxdext
Torch
Anni
8x 4xlife Skillers
1x 12fhr Skiller
10x life/res scs


e/e/ the ONLY other viable and effective build is the bugbelt build, but then you MUST wear a circlet, in order to reach 163fcr. So again here, Jalals isn't usable (so isn't a pelt)

This post was edited by Q_r on Jul 21 2010 05:12pm

This is not example of how to build correctly.

I am not saying that it is build incorrectly.

This just isn't the appropriate to go about constructing a pvp character.

Your building method is a PVM method.

Congratulations that it is working for you. I seriously doubt that you have optimized your build.

To elaborate further on your point. Your point is off topic. You seem to think that what I wrote was a druid guide. It is infact not a druid guide.

It is an item guide.

The item being the pelt.

I can look at your pelt and let you know right now that it is infact inferior to jalal's

side note:

here's your gear list:

B]Vs non-physical chars :[/B]
Pelt 2dru 30fhr 3nado 32life 24fr 21cr (Shael - so 30fhr)
Enigma
Suicide Branch 20-15
Spirit Monarch 35fcr
Arach
TO gloves
eSands 15-15
Amulet 2dru 19fcr 39life
Ring 10fcr 17str 38life 24fr
Ring 10fcr xstr 55life 15lr
Torch
Anni
9x 4xlife Skillers
10x life/res scs
7.8k life / 6.3k nado / 75++@res / 163fcr / 99fhr

I pretty much listed the same gear to base all calculations on. But you asked me before how I could know how to build a PvP druid. Well I can tell you this. I don't know how I can know how to build a pvp druid but by your supposed method of correct pvp construction it looks like I just did. That was the first part of the paper, and it took me about 5 minutes to figure it out.

Anymore questions?

also i just noticed one of your rings has 55 life

wrong.

It looks like your stacking light res verse the sin? I can't know without you presenting the math, im not going to do it for you. If your stacking beyond 75% verse a sin stop. It does nothing.

This post was edited by Noob_Nova on Jul 21 2010 05:42pm

Sorry, your trolling level has dropped now a lot. Take a good sleep, and maybe you can troll again succesfully tomorrow...



Good, this is getting better. If you weren't seriously tho..

THis is still going?

I'm not trolling. You guys should put some serious thought into the first post. It's serious, and it's real.

You think i did all that fucking math to just make a trolling thread?

Anyways

forgot about the crafted thanks. Always being the one to actually catch what few mistakes I've made. Thanks for making me look like a douche, kry (sarcasm)

Stop talking about "methods", we are now talking about facts. The builds i listed above may not seem correct to you, but trust me, they are the MOST effective and powerful ones existing so far !

You also forgot to tell me WHEN and WHERE you would use a Jalals, now that you have the fcr/fhr/res/life/dmg/dr/frw parameters under your eyes...



So what, you don't know that crafted rings can have up to 60life... ?
And the extra light res is handy, since i'm using TG (+10max light res)... So i'm not counting my light res to reach 75, but 85+... This is not what this thread is about thougt, you're again attempting to avoid the real questions lol ^^

Also, how can you keep claiming that my pelt is inferior to Jalals, when i clearly demonstrated you that Jalals was unusable in a complete druid build, since it doesn't bring specific mods such as high damage / dr / frw

This post was edited by Q_r on Jul 21 2010 05:57pm

I believe I will talk about "methods" for as long as I want. When you do something there is a method about it. Formal or informal, you have demonstrated a limited understanding of pvp development only using your method.

i never said your build was incorrect. If you can't read, my typing is pointless.

In fact I agreed with your build as I made it on paper prior to you telling me your build...

Your caster gear, which is not to be confused with a build, as you are doing, is in fact the only viable combination for 163% fcr pelt druids. I established this in the second paragraph that you did not read.

The full parameters are already covered in page one. Go read it and find out. I'm not going to repeat myself.

No thanks you. We already covered the mistake about crafted rings. My fault, I made a mistake.

Max res =/= Stack light res

Did I not just address all of your questions?

If you happen to have more I am sure you will find a complete and more satisfactory answer by actually reading the full first post.

You will see that you are the one who is off topic by discussing builds with me.

This thread is about GEAR.