Ancalagon,

This is going to be a silly question. Is there a reason for switching out Death for ubers? I figured Death has 50% CB, so it may be alright. Does it have something to do with the weapon influencing the smite speed?
Also how does Death compare with Grief PVM in terms of zeal, is the difference just marginal, or does the CB make a significant difference in killing speed.

My understanding is that grief seems more popular because it can be used in public PVP, however, Death should offers much more killing speed in PVM due to the CB modifier. Is this a correct assumption?

Also do you plan on writing any other character guides in the near future?

Again thank for the reply.

~ Duncan

This post was edited by junko_hc on Jul 28 2009 08:15pm

if you wanna maintain maxsmitespeed+lt on strike for UT oyu will need a death BA (however this means less killspeed in pvm) and the only things that work with smite is the cb.. so switching to a black ain't really a bad thing

@ pvm grief and death ettin are ~ the same damage
however death offers more safety and one can play with more strength that6 way and thus increase the damaeoutput further

if you play death BA+ AD the grief looses


if you have enough ar (demonloimb) some - deff and so on taking ubers diown with zeal is not really a problem

however since zeal attacks every target in range and depends on ar and so on and can be blocked, it is less good versus bosses
(if those are surrounded by minions and/or your level/ar and so on is not high enough)

This post was edited by Ancalagon on Jul 29 2009 04:18am

bump

i have a grief using zealot, much the same setup just diff weap, ~1000 life

i've found that taking down ubers is faster with smite due to their block and my low level (~81), even considering conviction merc that he has
but i was running them with my friends summoner, so the ad means its retarded fast anyway
he doesnt have to bother with getting urdars cuz i have the cb, i dont have to bother with lt cuz he has minions and amp, he can use aokl cuz i have gg fant, very effective combo

I believe Grief is only beneficial for Smite, not Zeal. It adds +400 to shield damage which is further modified, and thats a gigantic boost you wont get anywhere else. Maybe Astreon which gives like +80 or Redeemer +120, but then again Grief PB is way higher damage and attack speed. Although Grief lacks CB, which can be found on Astreon (my Astreon was Ber'd, so 53CB)

For Zeal, Grief PB = simply 435 Max damage. Death BA is better because it has around same damage but is doubled with DS and has 50 CB. Hope this helps.

This post was edited by mvm199 on Jul 30 2009 04:33am

death ettin > death ba

and a +400 grief pb has a damage of
431-435

the +dam adds to minimum damage and maximum damage.

ber in astreon's is imho always a fail

This post was edited by Ancalagon on Jul 30 2009 05:53am

Yes, i forgot that +Damage adds to both minimum and maximum, so average damage is actually higher

To me, Death BA or Death Ettin makes no difference at all. Most people prefer BA. I actually went with Ettin.

I used Ber in Astreon because IMO more than 50CB with a 6fpa smite is unneccessary, so I didnt have to use Gullis. Or even Gores. If you can socket it with something better that suits your style, thats entirely up to you.

ettin means more damage than Ba and that is about it

I pretty much always use gores or goblins on melees (if they don't use death) and it does not get any better than gulli anyway

why should I look down on 35% cb and 200-400% additional off weapon enhanced damage

You dont have to, its your choice. When I feel like 100% CB, I make good use of Gores and Gulli. But I have a lot of alternatives in mind as far as helms and boots go, I dont like sticking to one setup for too long.

problem is that I normally go for effectivity and things like f.e. a coa or a 120 ed helmet and the likes just can't mess with the good old gulli