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Aug 4 2009 02:47pm
Quote (mvm199 @ Tue, Aug 4 2009, 03:08pm)
For me, best combo. For you, if youre happy with Grief/Death whatever. At least I said its better, I didnt call it crap like your conservative mind.

Beast has CB while Grief does not. It adds Fana bonus to both weapons. It still reaches same speed as Grief/Death if you put beast on dominant side. Grief is better in PvP or a PvM Smiter IMO.

Lies? Hardly. It does seem like you want a medal or ppl to kiss your ass as you already got 30 pages of feedback, mostly negative BTW. Dont know why you keep asking for feedback or what else you want, stop bumping this horrible super-long mediocre guide.

Postcount up on Multi account? Are you out of things to say?

Stop crying already. I slipped on your tears and nearly broke my other foot. *Hands you a whole box of tissues and a mop*


right, I'm the one who's crying. clearly you're throwing way more of a fit over something someone else has posted
yes lies, you've been making stuff up since the beginning..
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Aug 4 2009 03:01pm
The Death will be stronger a bit with Beast's Fanatism...

With Gulli and Gores, you have already 50% CB -> Enough for normal PvM... so the CB is noa rgument.
Beast itself is a crappy weapon with low damage, Grief has not only a lot more Raw Damage (and you still attack with both weapons, right?), but also some DS, ITD, Dmg2Demons...

I'll make myself the time to calculate out the damage of both setups tomorrow...
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Quote (MajinKaisa @ Tue, Aug 4 2009, 08:47pm)
right, I'm the one who's crying. clearly you're throwing way more of a fit over something someone else has posted
yes lies, you've been making stuff up since the beginning..


It's sad all you have to say in defense is 'Liar'

Because anyone can see your guide is copy/paste x 100000 times, to make it look like it has depth or substance, and then your personal take on the gear. Which is nothing new ofc. And then a cheeky request for feedback, of course Im assuming positive feedback only. After you have given everyone a migraine with all the extra tidbits and all. I dont see anyone posting guides asking for feedback, but let it come to them instead. That reeks of attention whore.

I smell potroast, and whats that? Hmmm a hint of noob with it too. Yummy!

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Quote (mvm199 @ Tue, 4 Aug 2009, 15:08)
For me, best combo. For you, if youre happy with Grief/Death whatever. At least I said its better, I didnt call it crap like your conservative mind.

Beast has CB while Grief does not. It adds Fana bonus to both weapons. It still reaches same speed as Grief/Death if you put beast on dominant side. Grief is better in PvP or a PvM Smiter IMO.

Lies? Hardly. It does seem like you want a medal or ppl to kiss your ass as you already got 30 pages of feedback, mostly negative BTW. Dont know why you keep asking for feedback or what else you want, stop bumping this horrible super-long mediocre guide.

Postcount up on Multi account? Are you out of things to say?

Stop crying already. I slipped on your tears and nearly broke my other foot. *Hands you a whole box of tissues and a mop*


I don't see any reason to bash his work, honestly.

Beast+EDeath gives you a better damage with your off-hand, but Beast it self does much less damage than Grief. So the average damage could be roughly the same, if not better with Grief+Death combo, since Lvl 9 Fanaticism doesn't add that much damage.

The setup he advises gives you 50% CB with the Grief hand (Gulli+Gores) which is plenty enough, and 100% with the Death hand.

A Phase Blade is also by default superior to a Berserker Axe in PvM due to its speed and absence of durability. Eth Death Colossus sword is also Indestructible itself while 2x BA's would break incredibly fast.

Just my two cents.
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Aug 4 2009 06:36pm
Quote (mvm199 @ Tue, Aug 4 2009, 05:02pm)
It's sad all you have to say in defense is 'Liar'

Because anyone can see your guide is copy/paste x 100000 times, to make it look like it has depth or substance, and then your personal take on the gear. Which is nothing new ofc. And then a cheeky request for feedback, of course Im assuming positive feedback only. After you have given everyone a migraine with all the extra tidbits and all. I dont see anyone posting guides asking for feedback, but let it come to them instead. That reeks of attention whore.

I smell potroast, and whats that? Hmmm a hint of noob with it too. Yummy!


copying things that i've written really isn't a problem, as far as copying tables i have no idea where they came from and don't take credit for them just know that they work, and even if they were copyrighted this would be fair use.

i need no defense because your accusations simply are not true, all your posts are doing is helping my guide be seen by more users, not just the ones who ask for it.

i ask for discussion to see if anyone has anything to offer that would improve the character

the "extra information" is necessary because there are many players who have never played a barb before
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Quote (MajinKaisa @ Wed, Aug 5 2009, 12:36am)
copying things that i've written really isn't a problem, as far as copying tables i have no idea where they came from and don't take credit for them just know that they work, and even if they were copyrighted this would be fair use.

i need no defense because your accusations simply are not true, all your posts are doing is helping my guide be seen by more users, not just the ones who ask for it.

i ask for discussion to see if anyone has anything to offer that would improve the character

the "extra information" is necessary because there are many players who have never played a barb before


Dont explain yourself. I know the truth, everyone knows the truth. And thats not the reason you ask for feedback, there is nothing to improve, I dont think you are going back and editing it anyway, all been said before. People who know the game dont need all the dragging info, and I believe people who never played a barb before dont come to jsp. Jsp is generally for advanced users and there is a better website with better guides that everyone knows that I cant link to. A (more concise) build to some less known or more exciting build would help way more.
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Aug 6 2009 11:49am
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Hey, I am currently making a frenzy barb, and I just have a question with the ias...

I currently have frenzy lvl 31, which gives 7-46 to attack speed.

I am holding two weapons, each with a base -10 attack speed.

From what I'm seeing in the charts, would 15 ias be enough for this guy?
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Aug 8 2009 02:43pm
Quote (Rizner @ Sat, Aug 8 2009, 03:43pm)
Hey, I am currently making a frenzy barb, and I just have a question with the ias...

I currently have frenzy lvl 31, which gives 7-46 to attack speed.

I am holding two weapons, each with a base -10 attack speed.

From what I'm seeing in the charts, would 15 ias be enough for this guy?


if both weapons are -10 speed, your WSM will be -10

you will need a lot of ias to reach 5fpa frenzy

if you were to sheal one of those weapons and left hand bug then you would only need an additional 19 ias to reach 5fpa
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Quote (MajinKaisa @ Sat, Aug 8 2009, 04:43pm)
if both weapons are -10 speed, your WSM will be -10

you will need a lot of ias to reach 5fpa frenzy

if you were to sheal one of those weapons and left hand bug then you would only need an additional 19 ias to reach 5fpa


hmm, what would you suggest if I cannot shael either weapon? They are both runewords. Right now I have a 1os helm which I was going to socket with a 15 ias / something jewel, and a coh...

I'm also using dracs at the moment for the +str, life tap, and other mods..

I suppose what I'm wondering is: how much ias would I need if I cannot shael / left hand bug the one weapon? I can figure the rest out if needed.
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