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Sep 28 2018 10:18am
Quote (Haseo @ 28 Sep 2018 16:36)
step one is stop giving bad advice and you wont get picked on


Its not the bad advice.. its the bad advice, and still claiming its the only correct thing lol.

Quote (Taurean @ 28 Sep 2018 16:58)
I don't give bad advice. I may make a mistake from time to time, but that is natural and everybody else makes mistakes too, but these psychopaths are so good at invoking fake trust into others that they don't get called out for it. But me, if I make a single speck of mistake, you can rest assured that every piece of shit in here is on me like a ton of bricks.


Shame you see it like that, it is the other way around. They are the ones that cause all this drama. All they have to do is remove my quotes from their signatures and great me with respect and we'll all be dandy. It's that simple. Now you can ask them why they don't comply.



Psychopath. That's what you are.


I dont know you.. I dont know the other ppl, so i wont pick a side.


But you're advice is nearly always wrong, and yet you claim it isnt wrong. (Example Eaglehorn+kira on bowa..)

By making the same mistake over and over again, people like these will pick on you.
My advice.. ignore them. If you go mad mode people will shit talk about you even more.

Dont cry about people using your quotes in their signature. It isnt forbidden.

Perhaps an idea that you actually let ppl post who knows about the stuff. And you cry about other ppl starting drama... look at yourself first before blaming others ;)
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Sep 28 2018 10:33am
Quote (Taurean @ Sep 28 2018 09:30am)
I have asked politely many times.

I forgive you for being a total ignoramus.

I -do- have moral high ground, because I didn't start this. They did. What should I do, sit quietly and watch them piss all over my name while moderators do nothing, for years and years?

Thanks for the kind support. I love it when people blatantly do everything they can to avoid seeing the true picture.



You have been unhinged since you first started in here.
I’ve been here longer. I had stickied guides before you came in here.
I give you the same advice I give any self proclaimed victim.

You feed the trolls, the entire forum at this point is trolls, we shit post.
The meta changed. You continue to take yourself seriously.
You don’t present your ideas as unorthodox, you try and present them as best in slot. You make shit up to back up your “alternative facts”.

Any time you got called on it you flew off the handle like a child. Now people fuck with you for sport. Instead of looking within for why you were being singled out of the hundreds of users, you took the its everyone else not me approach.

The last recourse is for you to:
A. Go be a child elsewhere
B. Grow the fuck up and stop reacting
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Sep 28 2018 10:41am
Quote (Klaasje123 @ Sep 28 2018 12:18pm)
Its not the bad advice.. its the bad advice, and still claiming its the only correct thing lol.



I dont know you.. I dont know the other ppl, so i wont pick a side.


But you're advice is nearly always wrong, and yet you claim it isnt wrong. (Example Eaglehorn+kira on bowa..)

By making the same mistake over and over again, people like these will pick on you.
My advice.. ignore them. If you go mad mode people will shit talk about you even more.

Dont cry about people using your quotes in their signature. It isnt forbidden.

Perhaps an idea that you actually let ppl post who knows about the stuff. And you cry about other ppl starting drama... look at yourself first before blaming others ;)


Quote (Egardner @ Sep 28 2018 12:33pm)
You have been unhinged since you first started in here.
I’ve been here longer. I had stickied guides before you came in here.
I give you the same advice I give any self proclaimed victim.

You feed the trolls, the entire forum at this point is trolls, we shit post.
The meta changed. You continue to take yourself seriously.
You don’t present your ideas as unorthodox, you try and present them as best in slot. You make shit up to back up your “alternative facts”.

Any time you got called on it you flew off the handle like a child. Now people fuck with you for sport. Instead of looking within for why you were being singled out of the hundreds of users, you took the its everyone else not me approach.

The last recourse is for you to:
A. Go be a child elsewhere
B. Grow the fuck up and stop reacting


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Sep 28 2018 10:44am
Quote (gel87 @ Sep 28 2018 10:05am)
You should use ghost glaive + lacherator and wsm bug.
Then you get real ias breakpoint.


I did a lot of testing a month ago in which I found that procs from throw only use the offhand weapon's % ctc triggers when not throwing, and alternate between offhand and mainhand while in the throw animation (for when projectiles hit, while you're throwing another one)
so getting the optimal java/lacerator setup means you want the javelin in your mainhand and lacerator offhand, and you can't wsm bug it and still switch between swaps freely without some kind of really intense dex equip glitching which I don't think could be easily built around. Having both grief/beast and throw at the same time is the goal, so wsm bugging isn't possible without dex glitch too and I'm not sure you could even pick up your body with that
but mainhand non-wsm glitched javelin means you need to care about its ias and can't use ghosts, you'd want a winged harpoon ideally. I've used eth demon archs as cheap temps, but I noticed their quantity is miserable. I'd be better off just finding some 0 damage non-eth 40% ias harpoons with stack size / rep and just go full blown 0 damage amp procs on swap. Dual lacerators already do decent damage for short range, so I'm not sure how much an expensive java just for a few matchups could matter.


leap vs throw mastery vs double throw vs double swing is always a debate over different niches for different skill builds with the leftover points. Its even possible to do 1 whirlwind 20 axe mastery since the returns are so low,but I'd advise against that
kind of a playstyle thing, but unless its TvT where I'd say use 9 combat skillers and max leap, either going medium leap or 1 point leap is fine. You can get it up to 1 screen range with some spare skill points and lose throw damage.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Sep 28 2018 10:45am
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Sep 28 2018 11:10am
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 28 2018 04:44pm)
I did a lot of testing a month ago in which I found that procs from throw only use the offhand weapon's % ctc triggers when not throwing, and alternate between offhand and mainhand while in the throw animation (for when projectiles hit, while you're throwing another one)
so getting the optimal java/lacerator setup means you want the javelin in your mainhand and lacerator offhand, and you can't wsm bug it and still switch between swaps freely without some kind of really intense dex equip glitching which I don't think could be easily built around. Having both grief/beast and throw at the same time is the goal, so wsm bugging isn't possible without dex glitch too and I'm not sure you could even pick up your body with that
but mainhand non-wsm glitched javelin means you need to care about its ias and can't use ghosts, you'd want a winged harpoon ideally. I've used eth demon archs as cheap temps, but I noticed their quantity is miserable. I'd be better off just finding some 0 damage non-eth 40% ias harpoons with stack size / rep and just go full blown 0 damage amp procs on swap. Dual lacerators already do decent damage for short range, so I'm not sure how much an expensive java just for a few matchups could matter.


leap vs throw mastery vs double throw vs double swing is always a debate over different niches for different skill builds with the leftover points. Its even possible to do 1 whirlwind 20 axe mastery since the returns are so low,but I'd advise against that
kind of a playstyle thing, but unless its TvT where I'd say use 9 combat skillers and max leap, either going medium leap or 1 point leap is fine. You can get it up to 1 screen range with some spare skill points and lose throw damage.


That works as well :)
The skillers are clever to boost the leap contra base skillings etc, thats a nice touch to it really as it also boost all the skill arsenal you use in an effective manner :)

However as a pure thrower like me, ghost glaives are epic.
When i wsm bug them:
After wsm bug ur trowing take an effect of -25 base wsm. With 80 ias ur set for 6,25 attacks pr sec.

I quote myself from earlier, this are numbers after ur take away the bugged throwing masteries multiplicable dmg which displays on screen, lacherator is way less ofc. And also my real edition ended up with higher dmg as it has more str/dex.. This was based of a displayable dmg of 11k on ghost glaive, i got 13k displayed on my eu nl edition xD

Quote (gel87 @ Aug 20 2017 10:13pm)
Thanks a lot :D

Ill try to calc then^^ With valk, bb, gjost glaive + winged harpoon.

208str
170dex (i will probarly go higher for mb with storm)
168ed masteries
160 syntenergies

So lets think total:
Ghost glaive: 4xx/40ias/eth/repl = 2030-6597 dmg
Winged harpoon: 4xxed/40/eth/repl = 679-6100 dmg
max ias (same dmg as a bowa, but 2 javs and inzane ias.)

Single throw:
900ish - 6k ish max ias for 1 wep. But if this is bugged as well with double effect not displayed it will be 1,8-12k ish xD

So:
Lets say both hit crit with max dmg = 13k + 12,2k = 25,2k
(25200*0,17)/2 = 2142 life taken with dual hit vs 50% dr char. If amped 6,3k life taken. Half if only 1 hit^^
Still 300-1k ish life each hit each spear aint bad. The bb pierce helps a lot as well, and kb.
Its inzane fast as well. People will be stunned/fbr and taking heavy dmg. Will be fun to see the supriced face of an hammer i just soutwalked when he jumped, then slam this to his face xD


My best winged harpoon is 20ias and got 370 or 380 ed if i remember correct. This is for when in team with nec. But throwbaba is best in team with assa xD

This post was edited by gel87 on Sep 28 2018 11:14am
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Sep 28 2018 11:13am
warcry is the best pvp skill, dont listen to all these trolls. Oh you killed someone with WW? big deal. it took me 3 hours and 127 ears in a pub game to get my kill, that bumper fresh out of a grush will think twice about afking the moor again.
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Sep 28 2018 11:30am
Quote (Goomshill @ 27 Sep 2018 20:32)
A bvc can use whirlwind, berserk, double throw, leap and war cry all in one build, and still have a 1 point frenzy to mess around with in impractical circumstances


Berserk is mostly for immunes to physical at Pvm. There are always a few immunes to magic and immunes to physical at once in the entire hell mode at Lost City, but just not each game created.
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Sep 28 2018 11:32am
barb charms is an entire field unto itself. There are lots of viable options with 3/20/20 scs, 20/11 scs, 20/5 scs, 5/5 scs, 451 scs, 175/20 scs, 45 life wc skillers, 45 life combat skillers, 132/45 gc, 10/76/45 gc, all viable
there's no one right build. WC skillers obviously better for tankiness / buffing allies, combat skillers are best for leap in TvT but also boost zerk a bunch, I don't think 451s are necessary against es/necro and 1 poison sc doesn't actually do anything, might as well be a 3/20/20. And Then you're left balancing ar/damage vs resists and life vs fhr. Brawlers have more reason to favor 3/20/20s since +max has more marginal damage boost on eth lacerators than on grief/beast, but any barb who goes all-in on damage/ar charms is going to get shitrekt in pubs by -resist based builds
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Sep 28 2018 01:57pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 28 2018 05:32pm)
barb charms is an entire field unto itself. There are lots of viable options with 3/20/20 scs, 20/11 scs, 20/5 scs, 5/5 scs, 451 scs, 175/20 scs, 45 life wc skillers, 45 life combat skillers, 132/45 gc, 10/76/45 gc, all viable
there's no one right build. WC skillers obviously better for tankiness / buffing allies, combat skillers are best for leap in TvT but also boost zerk a bunch, I don't think 451s are necessary against es/necro and 1 poison sc doesn't actually do anything, might as well be a 3/20/20. And Then you're left balancing ar/damage vs resists and life vs fhr. Brawlers have more reason to favor 3/20/20s since +max has more marginal damage boost on eth lacerators than on grief/beast, but any barb who goes all-in on damage/ar charms is going to get shitrekt in pubs by -resist based builds


On my build i have 26@ on ring/ammu/gloves +20@ bb + 54@ masteries + 30 anya + 40unicue charms + 20 on fhr charms.

= 190@ and a little more lr.

I also have a pair of 3resi boots, and i can use Coa, mine is actually socet 15ias/30lr * 2 to survive better Vs vt Who like to foh a lot.

So basicly my res Vs vt can be 205 + 35 + 60 = 300.
300 - 250 = 50 res Vs an vt without facets but - 150 conv , but like my vt most smiter equipped vts got - 95. Then its 300 - 195 = 95. Which means he can still put on a faceted griffon or a foh cta on switch or a foh stick on switch and im still 75@.

So its rather decent in combi with Wisp which also adds oak.
I usually can take 1-3 blizz hits Which is enought Vs noobs xD

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Sep 28 2018 03:35pm
Quote (Taurean @ Sep 28 2018 04:58pm)

Psychopath. That's what you are.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
Psychopathy is traditionally a personality disorder characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egotistical traits.

Interesting

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