Quote (Timophinchen @ 4 Aug 2018 22:50)

It is just an item, why the hate? :D

Quote (TR0LLFACE @ Aug 5 2018 09:07am)

Bcoz it's 18 years old childrens video game which " adults " try to play right and virgins try to theorycraft.

Quote (Larry777 @ Aug 5 2018 12:21am)

best game is for childrens only? would have guessed lol, fortnite is what kids play

Quote (draftw3dr @ Aug 5 2018 01:00am)

the only people who can justifiably make a CoH are people who do not trade online at all and just happen to have nothing but a self-found Ber (Something that probably doesn't apply to anyone on this forum)

Quote (draftw3dr @ Aug 4 2018 07:00pm)

Fine - I'll address your budgetary concerns. When you're building a caster on a budget at the beginning of ladder, the cost of a Ber rune used in CoH is higher than Maras, Hoto (even Spirit Sword) or even 10x plain 4-5@Res SCs - the only people who can justifiably make a CoH are people who do not trade online at all and just happen to have nothing but a self-found Ber (Something that probably doesn't apply to anyone on this forum). If you can afford a CoH, then you can most likely afford an Enigma as well (perhaps after a little more mfing - and that would be time well spent) - and if you can't then I'm sorry that I've hurt your feelings. The point is, these "situations where CoH is useful" that you're referring to are generally bad builds made by inexperienced players who should never have gotten themselves stuck in that situation in the first place. And all the misinformation and bad advice I've seen in the Strategies and Guides section are partly to blame for that.

If you exclude the situations where CoH is useful (on your main character), you have excluded zero situations.

Quote (eric1014153 @ Aug 6 2018 01:29am)

Putting enigma on a sorc is like adding lighter fluid to self light coals. It's redundant and a waste of resources for arguably slightly better results. And life and str to vitality won't save you if gloams and burning souls rape you in hell throne room.

Quote (draftw3dr @ Aug 5 2018 09:20am)

So are you saying that it's better to use CoH and be even more fragile vs. souls?
(I'm maxed out on resists using Enigma too)

Quote (Weterr123 @ Aug 5 2018 07:31am)

That person is me. SP with a sprinkle of TCP/IP.

I used my first ber on CoH due to impatience and the desire to make something with my first proper high rune (was capped at ist beforehand). I only had a frenzy barb at the time, and not much stuff banked away on mules. I made CoH and respecced my barb so I could put those natural resist points elsewhere.

That was a few years ago, and since then I've made a couple other characters including my javazon which does everything for me. I'm 'rich' in runes now, and have rolled several griefs and fortitudes, and my zon is using enigma. Enigma was a game changer. Everything got awesome after making and using that.

But I tell you something. So was CoH. At the time, I was doing OK but still getting owned. I got owned less while wearing the subject of much hate here. It helped me out, and while I don't use it anymore, nor have the need to make another, it served its purpose.

It's also worth mentioning that my friend who got me into d2, called me a fool for spending that ber, and I should have held out for infinity. Would you like to hazard a guess as to who's made infinity twice, and who hasn't made it at all? B)

Quote (eric1014153 @ Aug 5 2018 09:29am)

Ladder obviously I'd only build an enigma because any character that can't teleport would obviously want an enigma over anything. So yeah you're correct on that. But non ladder you could definitely argue that for mf sorcs CoH is a viable and equally useful alternative for what you pay for as enigma.

Putting enigma on a sorc is like adding lighter fluid to self light coals. It's redundant and a waste of resources for arguably slightly better results. And life and str to vitality won't save you if gloams and burning souls rape you in hell throne room.

Quote (Kayeto @ Aug 4 2018 07:45pm)

"no budget considerations" is a situation that comprises only a small slice of Diablo2 as a game.

so the tl;dr of your topic is: If you exclude the situations where CoH is useful, then it isn't very useful

Quote (Larry777 @ Aug 5 2018 04:21am)

best game is for childrens only? would have guessed lol, fortnite is what kids play

Quote (eric1014153 @ Aug 5 2018 12:11pm)

If you haven't dropped 3k on a pvm sorc yes.