Sacrifice a cast speed break point for additional AR that isn't even necessary for that situation? You sacrifice tons of potential mods by using Griffons with a second Angelic ring.
60/35 is plenty of Open Wounds, while leaving potential mods for keeping a decent physical damage output.
Malice is shit. Fury is for Assassins 5 years ago over valuing Venom damage.

Edit: If you can get Visionary on your Circlet and a nice rare ring, it will tromp the shit out of dual Angelic rings/Griffons.

This post was edited by young2093 on Mar 27 2012 01:35am

I can't get visionary. Can you explain to me with a little math why is helm + fcr ring is better then Angelic full + Griffon.
I though most of the damage bonus came from Highlords, and not the helm.

Problem is, why are people refusing max AR ? I saw people pump dex, put expensive rare jewels with stats and AR, spend 2k fg for fcr ring with AR and dex and adds, and all that to have LESS AR then with angelics (a lot less) and the damage that is not so much bigger (especially if you dont wear highlords).
Angelics should give more damage then highlords + rings vs high deff characters. I'm not saying you can't win a paladin with ghost, far from it, I'm just searching for an optimal setup.
And what seems to be the problem with full angelics ? ED in helm ?
If you are hitting through high deff you need AR. Especially if that high deff faggot sports a max block shield. So all your hits that go through are divided by 4.
So if you have 50% chance to hit with Fools and 33 % with chaos, that's basically 12.5% cth with fools and 8.25% with chaos. (no angelics high end gear)
If you have 66% chance to hit with fools and 50% with chaos, that is 16.5% cth with fools and 12.5% with chaos including block. So including upper setup that has Highlords, that would still be lower then the damage with angelics.
Remember, claw mastery is 23%DS. Plus you can wear gores for added DS OW CB.

You know, the problem is with arguments like this. Pure marketing skills, no proof.
"It will tromp" - why, or in the internet slang pics or gtfo

If you can analyse a bit more it would be better. Like chance to hit, your ar setups, etc. etc.

Angelics setup has less ds, less damage and less life and less mana just to gain attack rating

Stick to the high damage + decent ar (use 6x shadows and 36/20s or 32020/s + Ed/ at jeweled vis) and ravens

U get gfg ar (test this in d2pk or something for exact amount I forgot) and high damage umum fools

U will want a shit ton of mana for more sustainability and mind last spam. With the AR u gain from Angelic even if u hit, it will barely hurt, not to mention u end up with like 400 mana with that build and the hdin can use own u when ur out of mana to mb spam

Edit: another approach is to build the ghost like skibum and pump shitloads of dex for more damage + AR. However it's already been recently tested that u need minimum 4750 life to tank 3 hammers. If u can get my kind of gear, I would recommend it. If not then u got nothing to lose from putting more point in dex and getting around 4200ish life

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Mar 27 2012 08:18am

Now let's break this into parts.

Less DS is true, no comment on that.

Less damage ? I don't know about this one, the point of angelics was to make more damage with bigger AR. Forget about numbers in 1 hit, imagine a time series of hits. Angelics will hit more with lower damage. If you go the other way around and start thinking this is bad, then it can be said that slower attacks with highest physical damage weapon is better then Faster ias lower physical damage weapon. And all we know about D2 is that IAS is the most important mode. Hitting someone can be transferred to "ias methodology" (how fast you actually hit someone). Agree ?

Less life. Sure, but angelic set does give life. Also of what importance is the life if you can't use it to full potential ? The same logic as why this guy and drake millers pump dex, could be transferred to angelics. Losing life to gain bigger advantages on the life that is left. As there are boundaries in pumping dex (in this example 4200 life), there are boundaries for angelics in counterweight of DS, ED and mana. I can't reach 4750 life btw. Not by a mile.

Less mana. True. I used angelics so far vs barbarians only, and it isn't that important vs them. Vs paladin could be more troublesome, but again no one tested to know for sure. I like my mana ring tho, true.

Having more ED and DS maybe does not (probably does not) counteract the benefit of more hits.
And all I want is the optimal setup, not hating anyone or anything.

This post was edited by monSt4r on Mar 27 2012 10:35am

Angelics set does more dmg than highlord's does when they have a certain amount of def (afaik it's not even that high, just higher than most casters have)

YY agree, now read my reply to him, comment on it and donate to me 10% of your current fg amount. I'll give it to charity.

Edit. I'll give it to starving children in Africa. "Hey little n-boy, take this fg, its from tails chao"

This post was edited by monSt4r on Mar 27 2012 10:44am

Just give up XD no chance vs hammer lovers ~~

But I already donated 80k this week.

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