lol? you're making a fool out of yourself, atleast, @ people who really know about pvm
we're talking about overall mf, and try getting to nihla with a 6ist sword and a 4 ist monarch.. ^^

hdin = crap when not 125fcr

you can have 7mf scs.. say, 20 of those. that's 140 mf there. lvl 90 and enigma = 230 mf + shako ist = 310 mf
+ wizzy ist = 340 mf + gheeds 40 mf or whatever is the max = 380 mf + wts = 430 mf + amulet with say, 30 mf = 460 mf + rings with mf (40 each or 10 fcr ones with 30 mf) = 520 or 500 mf.

I'd say that's plenty and you still get to keep your precious 125 fcr.

You could also have switch with 6 ist sword and 4 ist pally shield just for to kill mobs.

You're seriously telling me that your pathetic zerkbarb can overcome simple hammerdin in mf or in speed of kills?

also, 75 fcr on hammerdin is plenty for pvm.

Like I said, grow some brains.

Same to you m8 ^^ hf gl with your cookie cutter hdin

im out

no arguments left.. thought so

Okay, lets get this straight:
1) This is Pure Mfer That Can Kill Effectively This is for certain.
2) If I was to say have a Speed Diablo Killing Competition against a PvM Hammerdin with 300% mf I would use my Demonbasher Berserker Barb and whipe the floor with him.
3) Now you are telling me that you can play this game for 2years straight with your hammerdin mf'ing and not use another single char? Note: I have been playing this game for over 5years, (2 years straight, break 3months, 3.5 years solid now and still going)
4) if i wanted to have a Killing/Mf Competition with a Hammerdin, I would use my Javazon (Maxed Synergies to light fury and Charged Strike, Infinity merc) & she has 300% mf. She would win this as well e.g. who can clear baal minions and baal fastest (note: based on what you were talking about earlier 4x faster killing speed compared to 2x = faster mf'ing.
5) This is a guide created for people with half a brain, that knows for a fact that with more mf%, that the chances of an elite item (white) dropping, has a greater chance of being Blue, Yellow, Gold or Green than having a low mf%, AND note that this guy can join any full game, not have to kill and hork bods for drops. Hammerdin can not HORK BODS
6) This Guide is created for people that want More or Less mf, they can change items around to fit within their mf% preference.
7) QUESTION: Would you ridicule a GoldFind Barb that can not kill? if the answer is No, then why do it to an MfBarb that CAN KILL?

Rain
You have your opinions, and that is your right, but remember ONE THING
NOT EVERYONE THINKS LIKE YOU

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Feb 1 2007 06:20am

so much formatting it makes my eyes hurt

well, your mfzon will _only_ kill faster with infinity merc. and still hammerdin would clear say, cs, much faster.

I never said that I would or have played this game for 2 years straight with single char, but hdin is the only char capable of killing monsters with decent mf but garbage items (other is summoner)

Anyway, this argument was that barb used for mf = slow. I only said that hammerdin would be much, much more faster. Even you can't say otherwise.

I always say that thinking out of the box is great, but when you claim that it does better than some "cookie-cutter" builds, I find it a must to correct.

You should think logically before trying to stand up and correct me

YOU should learn to READ before you open your mouth (metaphorically) As you can see from the quote above, you would realise that your so called fucken argument was pointless, as it is the very first paragraph in the guide

-__-

one day you will get bored of your hdin
and see the light

dont have hdin. I don't pvm nor mf.

I read about halfway and glimpsed from there on........i cant belive people still bitch about Hdins being so superior, i made an Hdin and didnt like it. Im not a fan of casters really as i prefer to hit stuff. Plus a barb can get double the drops from champs/uniques/randoms by humpin em. The thing is, its all about preference, if you want to PvM/MF with your Hdin then go right ahead, i bet you got a Smiter for ubers too. I'll stick to my Wolfbarb and probably now i'll make a Zerker, and my 5 Uber Killers. Just cuz sometimes i wanna do shit a little different than what the guides tell me.